> Today i had a meeting with Novell and Novell is doing virutalisation using
> SUSE linux with microsoft. Novell story was :
>
> a) when vmware - gsx came out, microsoft came out free virtual server ,
> and soon gsx also free.
> b) vmware came out esx and everyone knows that its product was far more
> superior than ms virtual server.
> c) but vmware esx costs are expensive.
> d) there is an open source that does virutalisation and its technology are
> on par with vmware esx, but FREE !!!
> e) the open source is Novell Suse Enterprise and Microsoft have brought
> 240 million dollars of novell licenses. Everything will be subscriptions
> based and this is NOT red-hat linux. Because of this , microsoft do not
> need to spend time develop ms virtual server...now i began to think why
> longhorn never have virtualisation built in.... And both microsoft and
> novell will be suppporting linux Novell Suse enterprise ...
>
> f) i saw the license cost and vmware going to catch up in this model
> ....as for its novell suse enterprise features, i have yet to take a look,
> but novell says they have the tools on-par or equivalent with vmware ...
>
> g)
> http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-supports-xen-virtualization-at-bmw-group
>
>
> Well what u guys think ?
>
>
>
>
>

> When you speak about ESX and Novel SUSE Linux Enterprise, you are speaking
> about big systems with high maintenance costs. With these big systems,
> the price of the software licenses is only a part of the overall costs.
> When BMW pays Novel something like tens of millions of dollars a year to
> maintain its park of tens of thousands of stations, they are not buying
> just some licenses; they are buying a lot of staffs that will come to
> install and maintain all this stuff over the years.
>
> Don't try to compare your situation with the situation of a big company
> running tens of thousands of stations on multiple locations. Open source
> softwares are free, maintenance costs billed by Novell are not.
>
> --
> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
> E-mail: sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)
>
>
> "IT Staff" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> Today i had a meeting with Novell and Novell is doing virutalisation
>> using SUSE linux with microsoft. Novell story was :
>>
>> a) when vmware - gsx came out, microsoft came out free virtual server ,
>> and soon gsx also free.
>> b) vmware came out esx and everyone knows that its product was far more
>> superior than ms virtual server.
>> c) but vmware esx costs are expensive.
>> d) there is an open source that does virutalisation and its technology
>> are on par with vmware esx, but FREE !!!
>> e) the open source is Novell Suse Enterprise and Microsoft have brought
>> 240 million dollars of novell licenses. Everything will be subscriptions
>> based and this is NOT red-hat linux. Because of this , microsoft do not
>> need to spend time develop ms virtual server...now i began to think why
>> longhorn never have virtualisation built in.... And both microsoft and
>> novell will be suppporting linux Novell Suse enterprise ...
>>
>> f) i saw the license cost and vmware going to catch up in this model
>> ....as for its novell suse enterprise features, i have yet to take a
>> look, but novell says they have the tools on-par or equivalent with
>> vmware ...
>>
>> g)
>> http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-supports-xen-virtualization-at-bmw-group
>>
>>
>> Well what u guys think ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

> What i m trying to say is
>
> a) we know vmware technologies are superb than microsoft...take note that
> i m a pro-ms camp, but unfortunately ms vitual server technologies are not
> matured or creative than vmware
>
> b) with xen hypervisor , u can use as an alternative to vmware esx (which
> costs about US$1300 per 32 cpu sockets compare to vmware cost), and
> running on top is Suse Novell which is supported by microsoft too ...and
> the cost is cheap ...which i don't understand why u are against xen
> hypervisor technology. Of course any ms server virtualisation images
> runnong on top of liinux , have to be paid.
>
> c) Microsoft knows that they rather put their reseach in longhorn
> hypervisor (however whether to go RTM, no one knows). But at least novell
> Suse - microsoft agreement is highly supported.
>
> d) i spoke direct to ms counterpart, and they admit xen hypervisor is a
> competitor to them. However for longhorn hypervisor, it is going to be
> free.
>
> e) suse is meant for enterprise and there is a subscription model for
> patches/updates, rather than so-called "open-end open source".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Sylvain Lafontaine" <sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)>
> wrote in message news:(email address - cut out)...
>> When you speak about ESX and Novel SUSE Linux Enterprise, you are
>> speaking about big systems with high maintenance costs. With these big
>> systems, the price of the software licenses is only a part of the overall
>> costs. When BMW pays Novel something like tens of millions of dollars a
>> year to maintain its park of tens of thousands of stations, they are not
>> buying just some licenses; they are buying a lot of staffs that will come
>> to install and maintain all this stuff over the years.
>>
>> Don't try to compare your situation with the situation of a big company
>> running tens of thousands of stations on multiple locations. Open source
>> softwares are free, maintenance costs billed by Novell are not.
>>
>> --
>> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
>> MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
>> E-mail: sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)
>>
>>
>> "IT Staff" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> Today i had a meeting with Novell and Novell is doing virutalisation
>>> using SUSE linux with microsoft. Novell story was :
>>>
>>> a) when vmware - gsx came out, microsoft came out free virtual server ,
>>> and soon gsx also free.
>>> b) vmware came out esx and everyone knows that its product was far more
>>> superior than ms virtual server.
>>> c) but vmware esx costs are expensive.
>>> d) there is an open source that does virutalisation and its technology
>>> are on par with vmware esx, but FREE !!!
>>> e) the open source is Novell Suse Enterprise and Microsoft have brought
>>> 240 million dollars of novell licenses. Everything will be subscriptions
>>> based and this is NOT red-hat linux. Because of this , microsoft do not
>>> need to spend time develop ms virtual server...now i began to think why
>>> longhorn never have virtualisation built in.... And both microsoft and
>>> novell will be suppporting linux Novell Suse enterprise ...
>>>
>>> f) i saw the license cost and vmware going to catch up in this model
>>> ....as for its novell suse enterprise features, i have yet to take a
>>> look, but novell says they have the tools on-par or equivalent with
>>> vmware ...
>>>
>>> g)
>>> http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-supports-xen-virtualization-at-bmw-group
>>>
>>>
>>> Well what u guys think ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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