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How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Source: microsoft.public.virtualpc
Sent: 11/26/2009
From: Jan Eliasen
Message:

Hi all

I have used Microsoft Virtual PC 2004, 2007 and lately 2007SP1 for lots of
virtual PC's in my time.

Now, the time has come, where I need to start finding out how I can install
a 64bit guest operating system, since I need to test the beta version of
SharePoint 2010.

Now, I have two laptops: One that is running Windows7 64bit and one that is
running Windows XP 32bit - both laptops have 64bit CPUs. I am assuming that
getting any 64bit OS to run as guest OS on a 32bit host OS is not going to
happen. Am I right?

So what are my options? What can I do on my Windows 7? VPC 2007SP1, as I
have seen it is only for 32bit guest OS'es, right? So what do I need to use
on Windows 7 in order to do it?

And what are my options for my XP laptop? I don't think Win7 is supported
for this laptop, so maybe XP 64bit - will that work with some software like
VPC?

Any hints, thoughts and comments are welcome.

Thanks!

--
Jan Eliasen, representing himself and not the company he works for.

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Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/26/2009
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Virtual PC (any version) does not support running 64-bit guests, they just
can't work. Hyper-V is the only Microsoft product that supports 64-bit, but
it's a server OS.

You'll have to move to another virtualization solution if you want to run
64-bit guests. (like VMWare Workstation or player, virtual Box, and maybe
parallels.)

--
Bob Comer

Jan Eliasen wrote:

Show quoted text

> Hi all
>
> I have used Microsoft Virtual PC 2004, 2007 and lately 2007SP1 for lots of
> virtual PC's in my time.
>
> Now, the time has come, where I need to start finding out how I can install
> a 64bit guest operating system, since I need to test the beta version of
> SharePoint 2010.
>
> Now, I have two laptops: One that is running Windows7 64bit and one that is
> running Windows XP 32bit - both laptops have 64bit CPUs. I am assuming that
> getting any 64bit OS to run as guest OS on a 32bit host OS is not going to
> happen. Am I right?
>
> So what are my options? What can I do on my Windows 7? VPC 2007SP1, as I
> have seen it is only for 32bit guest OS'es, right? So what do I need to use
> on Windows 7 in order to do it?
>
> And what are my options for my XP laptop? I don't think Win7 is supported
> for this laptop, so maybe XP 64bit - will that work with some software like
> VPC?
>
> Any hints, thoughts and comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks!
>

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/26/2009
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:52:02 -0800, Jan Eliasen
<(email address - cut out)am> wrote:

VMWare Workstation 7 and Player 3 both can handle 64 bit guest
operating systems.
As far as I know, as long as your CPU has VT available and enabled you
can even run a 64 bit guest on your 32 bit Windows laptop.
Player is free and Workstation is not.

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

Show quoted text

>Hi all
>
>I have used Microsoft Virtual PC 2004, 2007 and lately 2007SP1 for lots of
>virtual PC's in my time.
>
>Now, the time has come, where I need to start finding out how I can install
>a 64bit guest operating system, since I need to test the beta version of
>SharePoint 2010.
>
>Now, I have two laptops: One that is running Windows7 64bit and one that is
>running Windows XP 32bit - both laptops have 64bit CPUs. I am assuming that
>getting any 64bit OS to run as guest OS on a 32bit host OS is not going to
>happen. Am I right?
>
>So what are my options? What can I do on my Windows 7? VPC 2007SP1, as I
>have seen it is only for 32bit guest OS'es, right? So what do I need to use
>on Windows 7 in order to do it?
>
>And what are my options for my XP laptop? I don't think Win7 is supported
>for this laptop, so maybe XP 64bit - will that work with some software like
>VPC?
>
>Any hints, thoughts and comments are welcome.

RE: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/26/2009
From: Jan Eliasen
Message:

"Jan Eliasen" wrote:

Hi Robert and Bo

Thanks for your answers! I am sad to hear that I am going to have to go away
from VPC - I find it weird that Microsoft does not support this. But, that is
just the way it is, I guess..

I actually have a license to VMware Workstation 6.5 through my job - will
that work for 64bit guests, or do I need version 7?

Thanks.
--
Jan Eliasen, representing himself and not the company he works for.

Show quoted text

> So what are my options? What can I do on my Windows 7? VPC 2007SP1, as I
> have seen it is only for 32bit guest OS'es, right? So what do I need to use
> on Windows 7 in order to do it?
>
> And what are my options for my XP laptop? I don't think Win7 is supported
> for this laptop, so maybe XP 64bit - will that work with some software like
> VPC?

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/27/2009
From: VanguardLH <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Jan Eliasen wrote:

Documentation for v7 and v6.5 can be found at:
http://www.vmware.com/support/pubs/ws_pubs.html

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> VMware Workstation 6.5
> will that work for 64bit guests, or do I need version 7?

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/27/2009
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

> I actually have a license to VMware Workstation 6.5 through my job - will
> that work for 64bit guests, or do I need version 7?

If your hardware supports it, 6.5 will work for 64-bit. V7 adds some Windows
7 video support.

--
Bob Comer

Jan Eliasen wrote:

Show quoted text

> "Jan Eliasen" wrote:
>
>> So what are my options? What can I do on my Windows 7? VPC 2007SP1, as I
>> have seen it is only for 32bit guest OS'es, right? So what do I need to use
>> on Windows 7 in order to do it?
>>
>> And what are my options for my XP laptop? I don't think Win7 is supported
>> for this laptop, so maybe XP 64bit - will that work with some software like
>> VPC?
> Hi Robert and Bo
>
> Thanks for your answers! I am sad to hear that I am going to have to go away
> from VPC - I find it weird that Microsoft does not support this. But, that is
> just the way it is, I guess..
>
> I actually have a license to VMware Workstation 6.5 through my job - will
> that work for 64bit guests, or do I need version 7?
>
> Thanks.

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/27/2009
From: David Wilkinson <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Bo Berglund wrote:

At least with Workstation 6, you do not need hardware virtualization to run
64-bit guests under a 32-bit host. You just need a 64-bit processor.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

Show quoted text

> VMWare Workstation 7 and Player 3 both can handle 64 bit guest
> operating systems.
> As far as I know, as long as your CPU has VT available and enabled you
> can even run a 64 bit guest on your 32 bit Windows laptop.
> Player is free and Workstation is not.

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/27/2009
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

You sure about that, I thought it always required VT?

--
Bob Comer

David Wilkinson wrote:

Show quoted text

> Bo Berglund wrote:
>> VMWare Workstation 7 and Player 3 both can handle 64 bit guest
>> operating systems.
>> As far as I know, as long as your CPU has VT available and enabled you
>> can even run a 64 bit guest on your 32 bit Windows laptop.
>> Player is free and Workstation is not.
>
> At least with Workstation 6, you do not need hardware virtualization to
> run 64-bit guests under a 32-bit host. You just need a 64-bit processor.
>

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/27/2009
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:18:18 -0500, David Wilkinson
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

No, I have a Pentium D DELL Dimension 9100 and it does not have a VT
option. When I tried installing a 64 bit guest Workstation protested
and said that it needed VT to be able to do that.
That is why I answered like I did, personal experience.
Maybe it works better with a later CPU running XP-Pro 32 bit like I
do?

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

Show quoted text

>Bo Berglund wrote:
>> VMWare Workstation 7 and Player 3 both can handle 64 bit guest
>> operating systems.
>> As far as I know, as long as your CPU has VT available and enabled you
>> can even run a 64 bit guest on your 32 bit Windows laptop.
>> Player is free and Workstation is not.
>
>At least with Workstation 6, you do not need hardware virtualization to run
>64-bit guests under a 32-bit host. You just need a 64-bit processor.

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/27/2009
From: Jan Eliasen <(email address - cut out)am>
Message:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:45:01 +0100, Bo Berglund
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

How do I check if my processor has VT (Is this an acronym for
Visualization Technology?)

--
eliasen, representing himself and not the company he works for.

Private blog: http://blog.eliasen.dk

Private email: (email address - cut out)

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>No, I have a Pentium D DELL Dimension 9100 and it does not have a VT
>option. When I tried installing a 64 bit guest Workstation protested
>and said that it needed VT to be able to do that.
>That is why I answered like I did, personal experience.
>Maybe it works better with a later CPU running XP-Pro 32 bit like I
>do?

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/27/2009
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:31:39 +0100, Jan Eliasen
<(email address - cut out)am> wrote:

VT is hardware virtualization technology and must be enabled in BIOS
if it is available on the CPU. Some makers, like Sony on tts Vaio
laptops, choose to disable the possibility to switch it on...

Information on if the CPU is capable of VT is available on the CPU
maker's webpage. Intel or AMD, type of CPU chip, then google for that
exact chip type number and VT.
--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

Show quoted text

>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:45:01 +0100, Bo Berglund
><(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>No, I have a Pentium D DELL Dimension 9100 and it does not have a VT
>>option. When I tried installing a 64 bit guest Workstation protested
>>and said that it needed VT to be able to do that.
>>That is why I answered like I did, personal experience.
>>Maybe it works better with a later CPU running XP-Pro 32 bit like I
>>do?
>How do I check if my processor has VT (Is this an acronym for
>Visualization Technology?)

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/28/2009
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"Jan Eliasen" <(email address - cut out)am> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

By looking in the manual, or contacting the manufacturer.

VT is not an acronym. It's an abbreviation (or, more correctly, an
initilism) for Virtualisation Technology:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/263

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Show quoted text

> How do I check if my processor has VT
> Is this an acronym for Visualization Technology?

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/28/2009
From: David Wilkinson <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Robert Comer wrote:

Robert:

I have Athlon64 X2 on Socket 939 which does not have hardware virtualization
(though the same processor on socket AM2 does). I have Windows 7 x64 running on
VMWare Workstation 6 with XP x86 host. It runs fine.

In the Workstation 6 Help I find:

"Workstation supports virtual machines with 64 bit guest operating systems,
running on host machines with the following processors:

-- Revision D or later of AMD Athlon64, Opteron, Turion64, and Sempron

-- Intel Pentium 4 and Core2 processors with EM64T and Intel Virtualization
Technology"

So I guess Athlon64 X2 on Socket 939 must have Revision D (whatever that is).

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

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> You sure about that, I thought it always required VT?
>

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/28/2009
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

It looks like revision D added segmentation support. Interesting, I'm not
sure how VMWare does it without AMD-V. I know all AMD Athlons come with AMD-V
now...

Anyway, you need VT for Intel chips to do 64-bit guests.

--
Bob Comer

David Wilkinson wrote:

Show quoted text

> Robert Comer wrote:
>> You sure about that, I thought it always required VT?
>>
>
> Robert:
>
> I have Athlon64 X2 on Socket 939 which does not have hardware
> virtualization (though the same processor on socket AM2 does). I have
> Windows 7 x64 running on VMWare Workstation 6 with XP x86 host. It runs
> fine.
>
> In the Workstation 6 Help I find:
>
> "Workstation supports virtual machines with 64 bit guest operating
> systems, running on host machines with the following processors:
>
> -- Revision D or later of AMD Athlon64, Opteron, Turion64, and Sempron
>
> -- Intel Pentium 4 and Core2 processors with EM64T and Intel
> Virtualization Technology"
>
> So I guess Athlon64 X2 on Socket 939 must have Revision D (whatever that
> is).
>

Re: How do I do 64bit guest operating systems?

Sent: 11/30/2009
From: "Josh Gingras" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

You can also use the SecurAble tool from Gibson Research to check for the
hardware virtualization feature.

http://www.grc.com/securable.htm

"Jan Eliasen" <(email address - cut out)am> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Show quoted text

> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:45:01 +0100, Bo Berglund
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>No, I have a Pentium D DELL Dimension 9100 and it does not have a VT
>>option. When I tried installing a 64 bit guest Workstation protested
>>and said that it needed VT to be able to do that.
>>That is why I answered like I did, personal experience.
>>Maybe it works better with a later CPU running XP-Pro 32 bit like I
>>do?
> How do I check if my processor has VT (Is this an acronym for
> Visualization Technology?)
>
> --
> eliasen, representing himself and not the company he works for.
>
> Private blog: http://blog.eliasen.dk
>
> Private email: (email address - cut out)

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