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Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Source: microsoft.public.virtualpc
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Goldemar Meier" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Hello,

does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007,
which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor; or
will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows 7 and
does need these requirements?

Greetings Goldemar

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Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Tue, 05 May 2009 21:51:52 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

VPC7 isn't a direct replacement for VPC2007, it's more of a
compatibility tool for Windows 7.

VPC7 isn't the VPC you know, it's branched off a lot from the original
code.

I hate to say it, but if you want VPC's true successor, look
VirtualBox. It's likely that this is what VPC would look like now if
MS hadn't purchased it...but it wouldn't be free though.

IMHO, VPC will never have feature parity with VM Ware Workstation or
VirtualBox. Microsoft's Linux support will never equal their Windows
support.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

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>On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Goldemar Meier" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007,
>>> which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor;
>>> or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows
>>> 7 and does need these requirements?
>>
>>Windows Virtual PC is not "integrated in Windows 7". It is a separate
>>install, but it does require Windows 7.
>
>What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"?
>Provided one has the hardware virtualization enabled and downloaded
>the new VPC installer, can it not be installed in Vista?
>If it can't, is it a requirement inside the installer so it is just a
>Microsoft business decision or does it "really" need something in
>Windows 7 that is not available in earlier Windows versions?
>If so, *what* is it???
>
>>
>>If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization, then
>>yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need VPC, as
>>it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it than
>>without it.
>
>Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it...
>
>>
>>Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old hardware?
>
>It is not 5 years since hardware virtualization started to be common
>in PC:s, that is rather like 1-2 years ago....
>And even today the BIOS:es quite often do not work correctly with
>hardware virtualization....
>So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from
>using the latest software?

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"Goldemar Meier" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Windows Virtual PC is not "integrated in Windows 7". It is a separate
install, but it does require Windows 7.

If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization, then
yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need VPC, as
it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it than
without it.

Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old hardware?

Show quoted text

> Hello,
>
> does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007,
> which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor;
> or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows
> 7 and does need these requirements?

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: (email address - cut out)
Message:

On May 5, 4:12=A0pm, "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
=A0 IAC,

VPC 2007 SP1 does work on Windows 7 but if you have Virtual PC beta
installed then Virtual PC beta will be disabled.

You'll also need to rename the Virtual PC executable (Otherwise
Windows 7 will complain that VPC 2007 isn't compatible) and you may
need to disable hardware virtualization in VPC 2007.

Basically just use VirtualBox/Vmware in Windows 7. I know for sure
Vmware 6.51 works fine in Windows 7, don't know about VirtualBox.

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> "Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> > What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"?
>
> I have no idea. =A0 All I know is it won't install on Vista.
>
> > Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it...
>
> Well, it runs, but it unquestionably runs better with it.
>
> > So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from
> > using the latest software?
>
> In general, no. =A0 But something this specialized is a different case. =
> VPC 2007 will run on Windows 7.

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

I have no idea. All I know is it won't install on Vista.

Well, it runs, but it unquestionably runs better with it.

In general, no. But something this specialized is a different case. IAC,
VPC 2007 will run on Windows 7.

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> On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
> What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"?
> Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it...
> So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from
> using the latest software?

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: David Wilkinson <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Bob Campbell wrote:

But will there be VM Additions for Windows 7 that will work with VPC 2007?

Right now, for some people (me included), Windows 7 does not run well in VPC.

--
David Wilkinson
Visual C++ MVP

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>> What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"?
>
> I have no idea. All I know is it won't install on Vista.
>
>> Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it...
>
> Well, it runs, but it unquestionably runs better with it.
>
>> So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from
>> using the latest software?
>
> In general, no. But something this specialized is a different case.
> IAC, VPC 2007 will run on Windows 7.

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"David Wilkinson" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Good question. I ran the Win 7 Beta in VPC 2007, under Vista, and it ran
fine. I have a "real install" of the RC, and have no intention of running
it in VPC, so I don't know how it works now. I seem to remember that you
had to specify "Vista" as the OS (not "other") in VPC 2007, so the correct
drivers would get loaded for Win 7.

Show quoted text

> But will there be VM Additions for Windows 7 that will work with VPC 2007?
>
> Right now, for some people (me included), Windows 7 does not run well in
> VPC.

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

In message <(email address - cut out)> David Wilkinson
<(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:

I'd say that odds are good that VM Additions will show up, although
that's just a guess. I wouldn't expect to see anything released until
Windows 7 itself is released.

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>But will there be VM Additions for Windows 7 that will work with VPC 2007?
>
>Right now, for some people (me included), Windows 7 does not run well in VPC.

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Goldemar Meier" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

THX for your answer. I think, you have developed the new Version Windows
Virtual PC for professional users and developers, and not hobbyists like me
(and many other people). VPC 2007 has been a very nice sort of "toy" for
testing software or just a little bit of "playing" with the windows system,
in order to get more experienced without damaging the host system. So for me
its a bit disappointing, that the new version doesn'.t work on older
hardware (i.e. without hardware virtualization), not even unsupported!

Greetings Goldemar

"Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:(email address - cut out)...

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>
> "Goldemar Meier" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> Hello,
>>
>> does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007,
>> which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor;
>> or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows
>> 7 and does need these requirements?
>
> Windows Virtual PC is not "integrated in Windows 7". It is a separate
> install, but it does require Windows 7.
>
> If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization,
> then yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need
> VPC, as it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it
> than without it.
>
> Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old
> hardware?

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Tue, 5 May 2009 14:10:16 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:

What exactly in Windows7 does it "require"?
Provided one has the hardware virtualization enabled and downloaded
the new VPC installer, can it not be installed in Vista?
If it can't, is it a requirement inside the installer so it is just a
Microsoft business decision or does it "really" need something in
Windows 7 that is not available in earlier Windows versions?
If so, *what* is it???

Probably, but VPC2007 guests run quite well also without it...

It is not 5 years since hardware virtualization started to be common
in PC:s, that is rather like 1-2 years ago....
And even today the BIOS:es quite often do not work correctly with
hardware virtualization....
So if you bought a PC say 2 years ago should you really be barred from
using the latest software?

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

Show quoted text

>
>"Goldemar Meier" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> Hello,
>>
>> does anyone know, if there will be a free Succesor-Version of VPC 2007,
>> which doesn't need special hardware rquirements concerning the processor;
>> or will there only the announced version , which is integrated in Windows
>> 7 and does need these requirements?
>
>Windows Virtual PC is not "integrated in Windows 7". It is a separate
>install, but it does require Windows 7.
>
>If by "special hardware requirements" you mean hardware virtualization, then
>yes it also requires this. You should have this anyway if you need VPC, as
>it is *made for* things like VPC, and VPC runs much better with it than
>without it.
>
>Why does everyone expect the latest software to run on 5 year old hardware?

Re: Successor of Virtual PC 2007

Sent: 05/05/2009
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Tue, 05 May 2009 13:04:21 -0700, "Steve Jain [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

I'll stay with VMWare WorkStation 6.5 then for my productivity use.
But I like to check out the other systems as well....

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

Show quoted text

>I hate to say it, but if you want VPC's true successor, look
>VirtualBox. It's likely that this is what VPC would look like now if
>MS hadn't purchased it...but it wouldn't be free though.
>
>IMHO, VPC will never have feature parity with VM Ware Workstation or
>VirtualBox. Microsoft's Linux support will never equal their Windows
>support.

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