Sent: 04/20/2009
From: S.SubZero <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
Help me;1024672 Wrote:
There is no virtualization software for the PC that supports OS X as a
guest.
--
S.SubZero
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> I am running Vista 64 bit and would like to run the Mac OS as a vpc so I
> can
> write programs for an Iphone/IPod touch.
>
> Any suggestions other than buying a mac ?
Sent: 04/21/2009
From: "David B." <(email address - cut out)>
Message:Hackintosh (or OSx86 as it's properly called) has been around much longer
than netbooks and works quite well on the proper PC hardware.
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How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
"jorgensen" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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> Might be possible!
> A lot people have manage to run Mac OS on a netbook and call it
> "HackIntosh".
> You might search for it, and see how they are doing it.
> Interested to hear if you figure out of something.
> Good luck.
>
> "Help me" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>I am running Vista 64 bit and would like to run the Mac OS as a vpc so I
>>can
>> write programs for an Iphone/IPod touch.
>>
>> Any suggestions other than buying a mac ?
>
>
Sent: 04/21/2009
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Help me" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Not possible:
http://vpc.visualwin.com/ngfaq.aspx#5
No.
Unless you intend your Mac to be your main machine, I'd suggest you consider
a Mac Mini. Superb machine, takes almost no space, and works with your
existing keyboard monitor and mouse...
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
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> I am running Vista 64 bit and would like to run the Mac OS as a VM so I
> can
> write programs for an iPhone / iPod touch.
> Any suggestions other than buying a Mac ?
Sent: 04/21/2009
From: "jorgensen" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:Might be possible!
A lot people have manage to run Mac OS on a netbook and call it
"HackIntosh".
You might search for it, and see how they are doing it.
Interested to hear if you figure out of something.
Good luck.
"Help me" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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>I am running Vista 64 bit and would like to run the Mac OS as a vpc so I
>can
> write programs for an Iphone/IPod touch.
>
> Any suggestions other than buying a mac ?
Sent: 04/21/2009
From: Steffen Koch <(email address - cut out)>
Message:S.SubZero schrieb:
at least not officially. I've a MacOSX 10.5 running in vmware
workstation (testing purpose only!). kinda slow but running.
regards
Steffen
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> Help me;1024672 Wrote:
>> I am running Vista 64 bit and would like to run the Mac OS as a vpc so I
>> can
>> write programs for an Iphone/IPod touch.
>>
>> Any suggestions other than buying a mac ?
> There is no virtualization software for the PC that supports OS X as a
> guest.
>
>
Sent: 04/26/2009
From: "Robert Moir" <usenet+(email address - cut out)>
Message:Help me wrote:
If buying a mac is out you have two choices.
1) hackintosh (not legal, therefore possibly not a great choice for a
software development business).
2) go without.
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> I am running Vista 64 bit and would like to run the Mac OS as a vpc
> so I can write programs for an Iphone/IPod touch.
>
> Any suggestions other than buying a mac ?
Sent: 04/28/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:"Robert Moir" <usenet+(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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It is perfectly legal. It is against Apple's license, not against the law.
Apple does not write laws. The most they can do is not support you. BFD.
If you buy a copy of OS X, you can install it on whatever you want.
I have installed OS X on several PCs. If you have the correct hardware it
runs fine. The problems come from the fact that Apple's PCs have such a
limited range of chipsets, video cards, network cards, etc. and there are no
drivers for anything else. There are known motherboards and notebooks
that are virtually identical to Apple's overpriced stuff, that run OS X just
fine.
Go to http://www.insanelymac.com/ and learn, particularly the forums.
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> Help me wrote:
>> I am running Vista 64 bit and would like to run the Mac OS as a vpc
>> so I can write programs for an Iphone/IPod touch.
>>
>> Any suggestions other than buying a mac ?
>
> If buying a mac is out you have two choices.
> 1) hackintosh (not legal, therefore possibly not a great choice for a
> software development business).
> 2) go without.
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Tue, 5 May 2009 12:30:18 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
That's a different scenario.
Really? Apple seems to be banging on Psystar's door. Apple sued
Wired over hackintosh videos.
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Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>"Jakob Bohm" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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>Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>>This is a common misunderstanding of the legal rules for software: The
>>typical situation is:
>
>>1. The law says that it is illegal to download, copy, install (or maybe
>>even run) the software without permission from whomever wrote that software
>>(in this case Apple). Such a permission is called a "license"
>
>>2. Apple insists that they will only give you that license on certain
>>conditions (one of which involves paying them money, but that is usually
>>not the only condition).
>
>All of which is true, but irrelevant.
>
>The bottom line remains the same. Neither Apple nor anyone else is going
>to come banging on your door, demanding that you remove your "illegal" OS X
>install from an "illegal" PC. Apple would have no leg to stand on in court.
>You can not demand a hardware sale when all the customer wants is software.
>Period. Ask IBM how that strategy went for them 40 years ago.
>
>Imagine if Microsoft demanded you buy a Microsoft PC in order to "legally"
>run Office.
>Can you imagine how quickly they would be sued? Apple is not
>going after the folks doing this because they know they would lose in court,
>and OS X would be "unbundled" from Apple PCs.
>
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In message <(email address - cut out)> "Steve Jain
[MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
There is a difference between personal use and making a profit...
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>Really? Apple seems to be banging on Psystar's door. Apple sued
>Wired over hackintosh videos.
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Jakob Bohm" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Bob Campbell wrote:
All of which is true, but irrelevant.
The bottom line remains the same. Neither Apple nor anyone else is going
to come banging on your door, demanding that you remove your "illegal" OS X
install from an "illegal" PC. Apple would have no leg to stand on in court.
You can not demand a hardware sale when all the customer wants is software.
Period. Ask IBM how that strategy went for them 40 years ago.
Imagine if Microsoft demanded you buy a Microsoft PC in order to "legally"
run Office. Can you imagine how quickly they would be sued? Apple is not
going after the folks doing this because they know they would lose in court,
and OS X would be "unbundled" from Apple PCs.
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>This is a common misunderstanding of the legal rules for software: The
>typical situation is:
>1. The law says that it is illegal to download, copy, install (or maybe
>even run) the software without permission from whomever wrote that software
>(in this case Apple). Such a permission is called a "license"
>2. Apple insists that they will only give you that license on certain
>conditions (one of which involves paying them money, but that is usually
>not the only condition).
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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How? Why? Apple says I need an Apple PC to run Apple software. How is
that different from MS saying I need an MS PC in order to run MS software?
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> On Tue, 5 May 2009 12:30:18 -0400, "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>Imagine if Microsoft demanded you buy a Microsoft PC in order to "legally"
>>run Office.
>
> That's a different scenario.
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Dave Warren" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Exactly. No one can stop me from installing my purchased copy of OS X on
my own PC in my own home. The most Apple can do is not support me. I
don't need their support in the first place, and they would be no help to me
in the second place.
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> In message <(email address - cut out)> "Steve Jain
> [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>Really? Apple seems to be banging on Psystar's door. Apple sued
>>Wired over hackintosh videos.
>
> There is a difference between personal use and making a profit...
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: Jakob Bohm <(email address - cut out)>
Message:Bob Campbell wrote:
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u=20
This is a common misunderstanding of the legal rules for software: The
typical situation is:
1. The law says that it is illegal to download, copy, install (or maybe=20
even run) the software without permission from whomever wrote that=20
software (in this case Apple). Such a permission is called a "license"
2. Apple insists that they will only give you that license on certain=20
conditions (one of which involves paying them money, but that is usually =
not the only condition).
3. Not obeying the conditions that came with your license is a "breach=20
of contract" and gives Apple an excuse to cancel your permission, at=20
which point #1 kicks in and "using" the software then becomes illegal.
Furthermore, in most countries it is against the law to breach any valid =
contract after you have fooled the other party (in this case Apple) to=20
do something they would not have done if you had not made that broken=20
promise.
4. The real legal situation in such cases can get very complicated in=20
some cases but I am not a lawyer so I cannot give you any advise on the=20
details.
5. In some languages the words for "against the law" and "against a
contract" are the same, but in some English dialects there are different
words for it, however the "breach of contract causes revocation of=20
license which causes any continued activity to be technically illegal"
phrasing is usually abbreviated to simply "illegal" when not writing=20
official legal documents.
Here is a non-software example with similar logic:
Little C asks Big C: May I borrow your 10 horses for a day, then
you can borrow my one horse for 10 days?
Big C answers to Little C: OK, but only if you do not call them your=20
horses, they are still MY horses.
Little C: GO all my 11 horses!
Big C: STOP, you promised not to do that!
(Adapted from the beginning of the tale by H.C. Andersen)
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> It is perfectly legal. It is against Apple's license, not against the=
> law. Apple does not write laws. The most they can do is not support=20
> you. BFD. If you buy a copy of OS X, you can install it on whatever yo=
> want.
Sent: 05/05/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
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There is also a big difference between "illegal" and "against a shrinkwrap
software EULA". Again, all Apple can do is not support me. BFD. I paid
for the software. If I want to install it on my microwave oven it is no
concern of Apple or anyone else.
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> There is also a big difference between "legal" and "I can probably get
> away with it".
Sent: 05/06/2009
From: Dave Warren <(email address - cut out)>
Message:In message <(email address - cut out)> "Bob
Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
EULAs might be legally binding. On the other hand, if they were, we'd
see legal action as a result -- To me, the lack of any attempt to
enforce EULAs anywhere (without additional copyright violates that would
still apply without a EULA) is very telling.
*shrugs*
Honestly this is one of those personal choices.
I stay 100% legit (within the EULA) for anything business related, I
tend to stretch EULAs for personal software, at least as far as treating
licenses as licensing me the human rather then one specific machine for
a couple pieces of software, all the rest of my software is free/open
source, or fully licensed per machine at this point.
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>
>"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> There is also a big difference between "legal" and "I can probably get
>> away with it".
>
>There is also a big difference between "illegal" and "against a shrinkwrap
>software EULA". Again, all Apple can do is not support me. BFD. I paid
>for the software. If I want to install it on my microwave oven it is no
>concern of Apple or anyone else.
Sent: 05/06/2009
From: "Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Dave Warren" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
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Exactly. I would not install OSX86 for business use. But for home use it
is perfectly fine.
There are many things that are prefectly legal in the privacy of your home.
I can brew as much beer at home as I want. "Legally" the limit is 200
gallons a year - that's a LOT of beer! If I brew more than that, no one is
going to care or notice. There is no "Beer Police" that comes knocking on
doors, just as there is no "Software Police". The legal problems come when
I start selling my beer in my brewpub!
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> Honestly this is one of those personal choices.
>
> I stay 100% legit (within the EULA) for anything business related, I
> tend to stretch EULAs for personal software, at least as far as treating
> licenses as licensing me the human rather then one specific machine for
> a couple pieces of software, all the rest of my software is free/open
> source, or fully licensed per machine at this point.
Sent: 05/06/2009
From: "Bill Grant" <not.available@online>
Message:
"Bob Campbell" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
There is also a big difference between "legal" and "I can probably get
away with it".
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>
> "Dave Warren" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> In message <(email address - cut out)> "Steve Jain
>> [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
>>>Really? Apple seems to be banging on Psystar's door. Apple sued
>>>Wired over hackintosh videos.
>>
>> There is a difference between personal use and making a profit...
>
> Exactly. No one can stop me from installing my purchased copy of OS X on
> my own PC in my own home. The most Apple can do is not support me. I
> don't need their support in the first place, and they would be no help to
> me in the second place.
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