> "Ken Springer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > VPC will not read the bootable CD in the CD drive.
>
> Are you certain that the CD is bootable...?
>
>
> > I was really looking forward to trying this solution to some problems as
> > opposed to
> > purchasing a new computer, which just isn't in the budget at the moment.
>
> Virtual machines are considered the same as physical machines in terms of
> licensing - you will require a separate licence for Window XP in order to
> install it on a virtual machine...
> > I considered trying VPC 2007, but concerns about unneeded Vista junk made
> > me
> > choose VPC 2004.
>
> That makes no sense - please explain what you mean...

> VPC will not read the bootable CD in the CD drive.
> I was really looking forward to trying this solution to some problems as
> opposed to
> purchasing a new computer, which just isn't in the budget at the moment.
> I considered trying VPC 2007, but concerns about unneeded Vista junk made
> me
> choose VPC 2004.

> "Ken Springer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > I wasn't about to try VPC 2007 for fear of a possible slowdown. After
> > dealing with Outlook 2007, why on earth would I even test it?
>
> What does VPC 2007 have to do with Outlook 2007...?
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

> "Ken Springer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> >>> I wasn't about to try VPC 2007 for fear of a possible slowdown. After
> >>> dealing with Outlook 2007, why on earth would I even test it?
> >>
> >> What does VPC 2007 have to do with Outlook 2007...?
> >
> > Maybe nothing.
>
> Definitely nothing. One is (primarily) a mail client and the other is a
> virtualisation application - they bear no relationship to each other
> whatsoever...
> > But my experience has been, anything that works with Vista
> > runs slower on my computer than the previous version of the software.
>
> Outlook 2007 "works" with XP and Win2kS3 as well as Vista - so does VPC
> 2007...
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/outlook/HA101668651033.aspx#16
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/sysreq.mspx
>
>
> > Why should I not expect VPC 2007 to run slower on my computer than 2004?
>
> I have no idea...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

> You have to mount the CD drive at the virtual machine startup process. Check
> the help information for this.
> VPC 2007 has nothing with Vista to do - its just an improved VPC 2004.

> Make an iso file of the disc and mount it at boot up.
> Check the BIOS settings for correct boot up - CD first.
> Don't have VPC 2004, so that's all what I can help with.

> I wasn't about to try VPC 2007 for fear of a possible slowdown. After
> dealing with Outlook 2007, why on earth would I even test it?

> Ken Springer wrote:
> > I did that, even changed from secondary to primary IDE controller. It still
> > didn't work, regardless of whether I chose the CD reader/writer or the DVD
> > player.
> >
> > At least I only had to log in twice to see your message, that's one better
> > than trying to read Mark's. LOL
> >
> > As for help........ It would "help" if MS hadn't removed most references to
> > 2004 from the website. Every knowledge base article for "2004" I wanted to
> > read simply took me to the 2007 home page, with nothing easily visible **on
> > the opening screen** that indicated the site was for both 2004 and 2007.
> > That could have been easilly accomplished by simply saying "2004/2007". :-)
>
> Ken:
>
> If you used a newsreader to access the Microsoft newsgroups you would not have
> to log in at all.
> Microsoft has improved the product with VPC 2007 and they want you to use it.
> What's wrong with that? Yes, some products get more bloated over time, but I do
> not think this is particularly true of VPC 2007, even though one of the major
> improvements is to allow Vista as a guest OS.
>
> --
> David Wilkinson
> Visual C++ MVP
>

> I did that, even changed from secondary to primary IDE controller. It still
> didn't work, regardless of whether I chose the CD reader/writer or the DVD
> player.
>
> At least I only had to log in twice to see your message, that's one better
> than trying to read Mark's. LOL
>
> As for help........ It would "help" if MS hadn't removed most references to
> 2004 from the website. Every knowledge base article for "2004" I wanted to
> read simply took me to the 2007 home page, with nothing easily visible **on
> the opening screen** that indicated the site was for both 2004 and 2007.
> That could have been easilly accomplished by simply saying "2004/2007". :-)

>>> I wasn't about to try VPC 2007 for fear of a possible slowdown. After
>>> dealing with Outlook 2007, why on earth would I even test it?
>>
>> What does VPC 2007 have to do with Outlook 2007...?
>
> Maybe nothing.
> But my experience has been, anything that works with Vista
> runs slower on my computer than the previous version of the software.
> Why should I not expect VPC 2007 to run slower on my computer than 2004?

>
> "David Wilkinson" wrote:
>
>> Ken Springer wrote:
>>> I did that, even changed from secondary to primary IDE controller. It still
>>> didn't work, regardless of whether I chose the CD reader/writer or the DVD
>>> player.
>>>
>>> At least I only had to log in twice to see your message, that's one better
>>> than trying to read Mark's. LOL
>>>
>>> As for help........ It would "help" if MS hadn't removed most references to
>>> 2004 from the website. Every knowledge base article for "2004" I wanted to
>>> read simply took me to the 2007 home page, with nothing easily visible **on
>>> the opening screen** that indicated the site was for both 2004 and 2007.
>>> That could have been easilly accomplished by simply saying "2004/2007". :-)
>> Ken:
>>
>> If you used a newsreader to access the Microsoft newsgroups you would not have
>> to log in at all.
>
> I don't have newsgroup access currently. My dial up ISP that I maintain an
> account with used to have newsgroup services, but he dropped it since there
> was little use of the newsgroups. Personally, I think it's because people
> can't spell newgroup much less be bothered with learning how to use them.
>
> I do not have the option of DSL or cable, so my access is via satellite.
> And newsgroup access isn't available through them as far as I know. I'll put
> it on the list to find out, it may be available but just not well publicised.
> I know it was never mentioned once.
>
> I checked into free webservers, but the newsgroups carried are often
> minimal, plus there was always some of the groups I was interested in reading
> missing from an individual server. I've got enough passwords to keep track
> of now without adding some more! LOL
>
> The only viable solution I found was Supernews, Giganews, etc. But I'm part
> of the 8.2% unemployment rate, so I'm not adding that cost to the budget.
>
> And I don't visit the MS newsgroups often enought to justify the purchase of
> a real newsreader. I tried using Outlook Express one time for newsgroups,
> but I didn't think much of the way it worked for newsgroups.
>
> Caveat Emptor, though. If MS can't make this web based place work right,
> why should anyone expect other products from MS to be any better?
>
>
>> Microsoft has improved the product with VPC 2007 and they want you to use it.
>> What's wrong with that? Yes, some products get more bloated over time, but I do
>> not think this is particularly true of VPC 2007, even though one of the major
>> improvements is to allow Vista as a guest OS.
>
> Now that I've got VPC 2004 working with XP installed, I'll play with that
> for awhile. I can easily strip out "virtually" (LOL) every remnant of 2004
> and switch to 2007. I've got a backup disk image of the hard drive without
> 2004 installed.
>
> It may come to pass I discover the hardware I currently own simply won't be
> up to the task. I know I need new hardware, but that's not going to happen
> for awhile.
>
> And with new hardware, will probably come a different OS.

>> At least I only had to log in twice to see your message, that's one
>> better than trying to read Mark's. LOL
>
> If you used a newsreader to access the Microsoft newsgroups you would not
> have to log in at all.
> Microsoft has improved the product with VPC 2007 and they want you to use
> it. What's wrong with that? Yes, some products get more bloated over time,
> but I do not think this is particularly true of VPC 2007, even though one
> of the major improvements is to allow Vista as a guest OS.

> Ken Springer wrote:
>> "David Wilkinson" wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Springer wrote:
>>>> I did that, even changed from secondary to primary IDE controller.
>>>> It still didn't work, regardless of whether I chose the CD
>>>> reader/writer or the DVD player.
>>>>
>>>> At least I only had to log in twice to see your message, that's one
>>>> better than trying to read Mark's. LOL
>>>>
>>>> As for help........ It would "help" if MS hadn't removed most
>>>> references to 2004 from the website. Every knowledge base article
>>>> for "2004" I wanted to read simply took me to the 2007 home page,
>>>> with nothing easily visible **on the opening screen** that indicated
>>>> the site was for both 2004 and 2007. That could have been easilly
>>>> accomplished by simply saying "2004/2007". :-)
>>> Ken:
>>>
>>> If you used a newsreader to access the Microsoft newsgroups you would
>>> not have to log in at all.
>> I don't have newsgroup access currently. My dial up ISP that I
>> maintain an account with used to have newsgroup services, but he
>> dropped it since there was little use of the newsgroups. Personally, I
>> think it's because people can't spell newgroup much less be bothered
>> with learning how to use them.
>> I do not have the option of DSL or cable, so my access is via
>> satellite. And newsgroup access isn't available through them as far as
>> I know. I'll put it on the list to find out, it may be available but
>> just not well publicised. I know it was never mentioned once.
>> I checked into free webservers, but the newsgroups carried are often
>> minimal, plus there was always some of the groups I was interested in
>> reading missing from an individual server. I've got enough passwords
>> to keep track of now without adding some more! LOL
>> The only viable solution I found was Supernews, Giganews, etc. But
>> I'm part of the 8.2% unemployment rate, so I'm not adding that cost to
>> the budget.
>> And I don't visit the MS newsgroups often enought to justify the
>> purchase of a real newsreader. I tried using Outlook Express one time
>> for newsgroups, but I didn't think much of the way it worked for
>> newsgroups.
>> Caveat Emptor, though. If MS can't make this web based place work
>> right, why should anyone expect other products from MS to be any better?
>>
>>> Microsoft has improved the product with VPC 2007 and they want you to
>>> use it. What's wrong with that? Yes, some products get more bloated
>>> over time, but I do not think this is particularly true of VPC 2007,
>>> even though one of the major improvements is to allow Vista as a guest
>>> OS.
>> Now that I've got VPC 2004 working with XP installed, I'll play with
>> that for awhile. I can easily strip out "virtually" (LOL) every
>> remnant of 2004 and switch to 2007. I've got a backup disk image of
>> the hard drive without 2004 installed.
>> It may come to pass I discover the hardware I currently own simply
>> won't be up to the task. I know I need new hardware, but that's not
>> going to happen for awhile.
>> And with new hardware, will probably come a different OS.
>
> Ken:
>
> You seem to be misinformed about a lot of things.
>
> There are many free newsreaders, e.g. the ones in Outlook Express,
> Windows Mail and Thunderbird.
>
> You can access the Microsoft newsgroups directly at
> msnews.microsoft.com. You do not need newsgroup access from your ISP.
>
> Since I see no reason to use the web interface to the newsgroups, I do
> not are too much about it. I doubt it will be improved, because MS is
> (unfortunately) abandoning newsgroups in favor of forums.
>
> As to VPC, you should be able to transfer your existing VM's (both .vmc
> and .vhd files) to VPC 2007 (you may need to reinstall the additions),
> and I do not really see any reason to use VPC 2004.
>