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Opinion wanted: Dual boot or VPC

Source: microsoft.public.virtualpc
Sent: 03/02/2009
From: SirCumferenceTheFlatulent <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Running the following system:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (3 GHz)
4 GB RAM
500GB and 1.5TB hard drives
Vista Home Premium 64-bit

Quite happy with the OS...except for the fact that MS touted it as for
the "multimedia professional". Unfortunately, two of the more
important applications I want to run are the image
editing/manipulation software for the Canon XTi camera, and the video
editing software (ImageMixer) for a Canon digital camcorder. Neither
software is (or will ever) be available in a 64-bit flavour. These
are the only things I need that won't run on the Vista 64-bit OS.

So, I'm faced with a couple of choices.

Run dual boot Vista and XP, and run all the Canon software on the XP
side. Or...

Run the Canon software on an XP virtual machine.

I'm quite happy to work through the details of how to implement either
solution, but I'm looking for input as to which would be the wiser
choice, considering stuff like processor optimization, memory
utilization, and whether the video card gets used in either scenario.
Or any other consideration I've missed.

Or, if anyone has an option I haven't thought of, I'm all ears.

Thanks.

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Re: Opinion wanted: Dual boot or VPC

Sent: 03/02/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:13:11 -0500, SirCumferenceTheFlatulent
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

Is there a reason you need a 64bit version of the app? Most 32bit
apps will run under a 64bit OS. The issue you'd run into would be
missing drivers to connect the camera to the host PC.

No VM solution directly uses the host's video card, it is emulated.
If you're doing graphically intense apps, a VM probably won't meet
your needs.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/

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>Running the following system:
>
>Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (3 GHz)
>4 GB RAM
>500GB and 1.5TB hard drives
>Vista Home Premium 64-bit
>
>Quite happy with the OS...except for the fact that MS touted it as for
>the "multimedia professional". Unfortunately, two of the more
>important applications I want to run are the image
>editing/manipulation software for the Canon XTi camera, and the video
>editing software (ImageMixer) for a Canon digital camcorder. Neither
>software is (or will ever) be available in a 64-bit flavour. These
>are the only things I need that won't run on the Vista 64-bit OS.
>
>So, I'm faced with a couple of choices.
>
>Run dual boot Vista and XP, and run all the Canon software on the XP
>side. Or...
>
>Run the Canon software on an XP virtual machine.
>
>I'm quite happy to work through the details of how to implement either
>solution, but I'm looking for input as to which would be the wiser
>choice, considering stuff like processor optimization, memory
>utilization, and whether the video card gets used in either scenario.
>Or any other consideration I've missed.
>
>Or, if anyone has an option I haven't thought of, I'm all ears.
>
>Thanks.

Re: Opinion wanted: Dual boot or VPC

Sent: 03/02/2009
From: SirCumferenceTheFlatulent <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:23:42 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

Ah, crap. Yep, both devices rely on USB (the HDD camcorder directly,
and the camera via a USB CF card reader), so VPC is going to be a
problem.

I had a *little* bit of exposure to VPC years ago, so I was hoping I
could use that. Looks like I'm off to another forum to weigh in on
the "virtualization vs. dual boot" dilemma with the product you
mentioned.

Many thanks for the quick response. You guys have always been great
on the MS newsgroups.

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>"SirCumferenceTheFlatulent" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in
>message news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>> Or any other consideration I've missed.
>
>Almost certainly, the fact that VPC doesn't support USB devices, other than
>those which can be emulated or accessed via network redirection.
>
>If your Canon device connects via USB, I can pretty much guarantee that it
>won't work with VPC...
>
>Other virtualisation products e.g. VMWare support USB fully...

Re: Opinion wanted: Dual boot or VPC

Sent: 03/02/2009
From: SirCumferenceTheFlatulent <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:40:11 -0800, "Steve Jain [MVP]"
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

Well, to begin with, there's no support for RAW image thumbnailing
under 64-bit Vista. The image tools work okay, but you have to use
the Canon browser to wade through RAW thumbnails.

With the Canon camcorder, the bundled video editor (primitive as it
is) is ImageMixer - which usually doesn't recognize the camcorder when
it's plugged in - as you mentioned. It works 1 time in 10. Annoying
enough to be searching out information about dual booting or virtual
machines. :-)

That's what I'm not sure of. Does an image editing/video editing
program even touch the graphics card, or is all the work performed on
the CPU? My gut says editing and converting a *.m2ts file to DVD
format doesn't involve the video card, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

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>On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:13:11 -0500, SirCumferenceTheFlatulent
><(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>Running the following system:
>>
>>Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (3 GHz)
>>4 GB RAM
>>500GB and 1.5TB hard drives
>>Vista Home Premium 64-bit
>>
>>Quite happy with the OS...except for the fact that MS touted it as for
>>the "multimedia professional". Unfortunately, two of the more
>>important applications I want to run are the image
>>editing/manipulation software for the Canon XTi camera, and the video
>>editing software (ImageMixer) for a Canon digital camcorder. Neither
>>software is (or will ever) be available in a 64-bit flavour. These
>>are the only things I need that won't run on the Vista 64-bit OS.
>>
>>So, I'm faced with a couple of choices.
>>
>>Run dual boot Vista and XP, and run all the Canon software on the XP
>>side. Or...
>>
>>Run the Canon software on an XP virtual machine.
>>
>>I'm quite happy to work through the details of how to implement either
>>solution, but I'm looking for input as to which would be the wiser
>>choice, considering stuff like processor optimization, memory
>>utilization, and whether the video card gets used in either scenario.
>>Or any other consideration I've missed.
>>
>>Or, if anyone has an option I haven't thought of, I'm all ears.
>>
>>Thanks.
>
>Is there a reason you need a 64bit version of the app? Most 32bit
>apps will run under a 64bit OS. The issue you'd run into would be
>missing drivers to connect the camera to the host PC.
>
>No VM solution directly uses the host's video card, it is emulated.
>If you're doing graphically intense apps, a VM probably won't meet
>your needs.

Re: Opinion wanted: Dual boot or VPC

Sent: 03/03/2009
From: "Mark Rae [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

"SirCumferenceTheFlatulent" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in
message news:(email address - cut out)...

Almost certainly, the fact that VPC doesn't support USB devices, other than
those which can be emulated or accessed via network redirection.

If your Canon device connects via USB, I can pretty much guarantee that it
won't work with VPC...

Other virtualisation products e.g. VMWare support USB fully...

--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

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> Or any other consideration I've missed.

Re: Opinion wanted: Dual boot or VPC

Sent: 03/03/2009
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:46:19 -0500, SirCumferenceTheFlatulent
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

What he is saying is that the video graphics card emulated inside the
VM is a S3 Trio-64 with 8 Mb of video RAM no matter what you have on
your host system.
Video/graphics software typically "use" the video card for display and
require more punch that the Trio-64. They usually also check the
graphics capabilities on startup and won't run on limited graphics
hardware.
Example: Try starting Microsoft MovieMaker in a virtual machine and
you'll see what I maen. It won't start because of the limited
graphics.

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

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>>
>>No VM solution directly uses the host's video card, it is emulated.
>>If you're doing graphically intense apps, a VM probably won't meet
>>your needs.
>
>That's what I'm not sure of. Does an image editing/video editing
>program even touch the graphics card, or is all the work performed on
>the CPU? My gut says editing and converting a *.m2ts file to DVD
>format doesn't involve the video card, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

Re: Opinion wanted: Dual boot or VPC

Sent: 03/03/2009
From: "Ato_Zee" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

OR - do what I did, put the OS drive in a hard drive caddy.
I run XP Pro 64 bit because I use large Excel spreadsheets
with sizeable macros using a s/h Intel Extreme processor
off eBay and 4GB Crucial.
For 32 bit XP Pro. I just slip in the 32 bit drive when I need
it, several apps only install on a 32 bit platform
Which gives the benefit of the processor and RAM
for both 64 and 32 bit.
And I could add a Linux drive caddy.
Whether going for dual boot or VM ware backup first.
Tried a dual boot install, it went pear shaped, lost
everything. Bought True Image, and a 1TB eSATA
backup drive. And tested the restore. True Image
in differential mode lets you roll back to any prior
backup date, even to the original clean install of the OS.

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> So, I'm faced with a couple of choices.
>
> Run dual boot Vista and XP, and run all the Canon software on the XP
> side. Or...
>
> Run the Canon software on an XP virtual machine.

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