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Message:On Jan 5, 3:48=A0am, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
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Nothing to do with "piracy". (any software that uses a simple date/
time check to reduce "piracy" is idiotic) Just the simple fact that
almost everyone wants the same time in the guest as the host and
Microsoft never bothered to offer the option.
I think installing the additions syncs the guest time with the host
and not installing the additions will stop it from syncing but only
until the next reboot of the guest. Can't really remember and don't
have VPC installed so I can't check.
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> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99% =
> the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions people
> have.
>
> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change th=
> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
> Workstation).
>
> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could not
> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on VPC. =
> did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a deliberate
> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. =A0I don't object to this, but I sur=
> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the host =
> I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
> non-existent problem on the guest.
Sent: 01/05/2009
From: "Joachim Lohoff-Werner" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:(email address - cut out)...
Here is a guide how to disable timesync in a VM. I found the description on
the downloads for Visual Studio 2010 Preview. After making the changes in
the .VMC file you can change date/time in VM and it does not sync the time
with the host-OS anymore.
Disabling Time Synchronization under Virtual PC 2007
When you have Virtual Machine Additions installed on Virtual PC we will
automatically synchronize the virtual machines time with that of the host
operating system. For most people this is a "good thing" - but if this is
something you want to disable you need to:
Stop the virtual machine in question.
Locate the .VMC file for the virtual machine.
Open the .VMC file in notepad.
You can use a different editor - but notepad is the safest as it is
guaranteed to not change our file format to something that is incompatible
with Virtual PC (which other editors have been known to do).
Find the section of the .VMC file that looks like this:
<integration>
<microsoft>
<mouse>
<allow type="boolean">true</allow>
</mouse>
Bunch of other stuff that I am skipping over to save space...
</microsoft>
</integration>
Change it to look like this:
<integration>
<microsoft>
<mouse>
<allow type="boolean">true</allow>
</mouse>
<components>
<host_time_sync>
<enabled type="boolean">false</enabled>
</host_time_sync>
</components>
Bunch of other stuff that I am skipping over to save space...
</microsoft>
</integration>
Close notepad and save the .VMC file.
Start the virtual machine under Virtual PC.
Note that this will not only disable the time synchronization that happens
while the virtual machine is running - it will also disable the time
synchronization that occurs when you start the virtual machine. This means
that unless you are using some other method for time synchronization
(network server, etc...) time inside the guest operating system will become
very incorrect very quickly.
Cheers,
Ben
Published Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:50 AM by Virtual PC Guy
Filed under: Virtual PC / Server Tips 'n' Tricks
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> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
> of the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions people
> have.
>
> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change the
> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
> Workstation).
>
> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could not
> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on VPC.
> It did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a deliberate
> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. I don't object to this, but I sure
> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the host
> so I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
> non-existent problem on the guest.
>
Sent: 01/05/2009
From: d d <(email address - cut out)>
Message:Joachim Lohoff-Werner wrote:
<snip>
There it is right at the end. The reason why they're synchronizing. It's
a virtual machine, not a physical one, so it doesn't have real CMOS, a
real battery keeping time, so when it gets switched on after having been
not used for X number of hours/days/weeks, then how should it know what
time it should use. It has only two options: 1. Keep the same time as
when it was last shutdown (which won't be correct of course), or 2. sync
the time. OK, there's a 3rd option which is to revert back to some fixed
date/time like 1/1/1970.
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> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
>> of the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions people
>> have.
>>
>> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change the
>> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
>> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
>> Workstation).
>>
> Disabling Time Synchronization under Virtual PC 2007
> When you have Virtual Machine Additions installed on Virtual PC we will
> automatically synchronize the virtual machines time with that of the host
> operating system. For most people this is a "good thing" - but if this is
> something you want to disable you need to:
> Note that this will not only disable the time synchronization that happens
> while the virtual machine is running - it will also disable the time
> synchronization that occurs when you start the virtual machine. This means
> that unless you are using some other method for time synchronization
> (network server, etc...) time inside the guest operating system will become
> very incorrect very quickly.
Sent: 01/05/2009
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
<(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
On Jan 5, 3:48 am, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
Nothing to do with "piracy". (any software that uses a simple date/
time check to reduce "piracy" is idiotic) Just the simple fact that
almost everyone wants the same time in the guest as the host and
Microsoft never bothered to offer the option.
Err...It was Ben Armstrong who is a Program Manager on Microsoft's Core
Virtualization Team who said this:
"Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:46 PM by Virtual PC Guy
# re: The Futility of Changing the System Time in the Virtual Machine Bios
Roger / Robert -
We have heard this before. The problem is that if we did this it would be
too easy to abuse and use for piracy purposes. If you need a short term
test you can change the time on the host operating system."
I think installing the additions syncs the guest time with the host
and not installing the additions will stop it from syncing but only
until the next reboot of the guest. Can't really remember and don't
have VPC installed so I can't check.
Show quoted text
> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
> of
> the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions people
> have.
>
> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change the
> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
> Workstation).
>
> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could not
> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on VPC. It
> did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a deliberate
> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. I don't object to this, but I sure
> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the host
> so
> I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
> non-existent problem on the guest.
Sent: 01/05/2009
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Joachim Lohoff-Werner" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in
message news:(email address - cut out)...
Ah...I didn't see this article by Ben Armstrong. I just saw the article
about piracy being a reason why Microsoft made it so you could not change
the time/date. I'll try it.
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>
> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
>> of the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions
>> people have.
>>
>> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change
>> the date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You
>> cannot change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
>> Workstation).
>>
>> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could not
>> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on VPC.
>> It did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
>> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a deliberate
>> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. I don't object to this, but I sure
>> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the host
>> so I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
>> non-existent problem on the guest.
>>
>
> Here is a guide how to disable timesync in a VM. I found the description
> on the downloads for Visual Studio 2010 Preview. After making the changes
> in the .VMC file you can change date/time in VM and it does not sync the
> time with the host-OS anymore.
>
>
> Disabling Time Synchronization under Virtual PC 2007
> When you have Virtual Machine Additions installed on Virtual PC we will
> automatically synchronize the virtual machines time with that of the host
> operating system. For most people this is a "good thing" - but if this is
> something you want to disable you need to:
>
> Stop the virtual machine in question.
> Locate the .VMC file for the virtual machine.
> Open the .VMC file in notepad.
>
> You can use a different editor - but notepad is the safest as it is
> guaranteed to not change our file format to something that is incompatible
> with Virtual PC (which other editors have been known to do).
>
>
> Find the section of the .VMC file that looks like this:
>
> <integration>
> <microsoft>
> <mouse>
> <allow type="boolean">true</allow>
> </mouse>
>
> Bunch of other stuff that I am skipping over to save space...
>
> </microsoft>
> </integration>
>
>
> Change it to look like this:
>
> <integration>
> <microsoft>
> <mouse>
> <allow type="boolean">true</allow>
> </mouse>
> <components>
> <host_time_sync>
> <enabled type="boolean">false</enabled>
> </host_time_sync>
> </components>
>
> Bunch of other stuff that I am skipping over to save space...
>
> </microsoft>
> </integration>
>
> Close notepad and save the .VMC file.
> Start the virtual machine under Virtual PC.
> Note that this will not only disable the time synchronization that happens
> while the virtual machine is running - it will also disable the time
> synchronization that occurs when you start the virtual machine. This
> means that unless you are using some other method for time synchronization
> (network server, etc...) time inside the guest operating system will
> become very incorrect very quickly.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
> Published Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:50 AM by Virtual PC Guy
> Filed under: Virtual PC / Server Tips 'n' Tricks
>
>
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"d d" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:u6a$(email address - cut out)...
What about it simply synching with www.mit.edu for instance? That is where
the host machine synchs its time. The guest is automatically set to synch
with time.windows.com. That wasn't working for a long time so most folks
stopped using it a long time ago. I guess it is working again now. But the
guest is not using it. This is confusing, and a bit misleading, because the
setting is there so you assume that the virtual machine can synch the time
using whatever clock you choose yet in actuality the virtual machine ignores
that and synchs to the time of the host. It should be like in VMWare where
you choose what internet time server to synch with and you can change the
time in a VMWare Workstation machine without changing the time in the host
machine.
If you set it to synch daily, instead of the weekly default, then I don't
see a problem. Granted, if the virtual machine is never on the internet then
because of no CMOS since it is virtual then there would be a problem with it
knowing the correct time.
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> Joachim Lohoff-Werner wrote:
>> "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
>>> of the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions
>>> people have.
>>>
>>> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change
>>> the date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You
>>> cannot change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
>>> Workstation).
>>>
>> Disabling Time Synchronization under Virtual PC 2007
>> When you have Virtual Machine Additions installed on Virtual PC we will
>> automatically synchronize the virtual machines time with that of the host
>> operating system. For most people this is a "good thing" - but if this
>> is something you want to disable you need to:
> <snip>
>> Note that this will not only disable the time synchronization that
>> happens while the virtual machine is running - it will also disable the
>> time synchronization that occurs when you start the virtual machine.
>> This means that unless you are using some other method for time
>> synchronization (network server, etc...) time inside the guest operating
>> system will become very incorrect very quickly.
>
> There it is right at the end. The reason why they're synchronizing. It's a
> virtual machine, not a physical one, so it doesn't have real CMOS, a real
> battery keeping time, so when it gets switched on after having been not
> used for X number of hours/days/weeks, then how should it know what time
> it should use. It has only two options: 1. Keep the same time as when it
> was last shutdown (which won't be correct of course), or 2. sync the time.
> OK, there's a 3rd option which is to revert back to some fixed date/time
> like 1/1/1970.
Sent: 01/05/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:01:03 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:
Well, not so much as piracy as defeating time based trial software.
It wasn't Microsoft that did it, this was a feature in VPC long before
MS was even looking at virtualization solutions and purchased the VPC
product line from Connectix.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>
><(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>On Jan 5, 3:48 am, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
>> of
>> the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions people
>> have.
>>
>> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change the
>> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
>> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
>> Workstation).
>>
>> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could not
>> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on VPC. It
>> did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
>> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a deliberate
>> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. I don't object to this, but I sure
>> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the host
>> so
>> I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
>> non-existent problem on the guest.
>
>Nothing to do with "piracy". (any software that uses a simple date/
>time check to reduce "piracy" is idiotic) Just the simple fact that
>almost everyone wants the same time in the guest as the host and
>Microsoft never bothered to offer the option.
>
>Err...It was Ben Armstrong who is a Program Manager on Microsoft's Core
>Virtualization Team who said this:
>
>"Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:46 PM by Virtual PC Guy
># re: The Futility of Changing the System Time in the Virtual Machine Bios
>Roger / Robert -
>
>We have heard this before. The problem is that if we did this it would be
>too easy to abuse and use for piracy purposes. If you need a short term
>test you can change the time on the host operating system."
>
Sent: 01/06/2009
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Ok. So, Microsoft just didn't fix the Connectix problem because it could
defeat trial based software.
It is ok with me, I was just irritated that I thought something was wrong
with my Vista and I wasted time googling the issue and then starting a
thread at dslreports. So, I am not sure it a great idea to tell newbies to
VPC that the virtual machine is almost identical to a real physical machine.
That is true...but not in all respects and this is one of them. But because
I've been told here, and elsewhere on the net, I did not consider the
problem to be a VPC problem at first and that is what should have been my
first thought and I should have come here first and asked. It didn't help
matters that VMWare Workstation happily allows one to change the time and
date on virtual machines (at least on my two XP machines). That made me even
less likely to think it was a VPC problem. I was sure it was a permission
problem, etc. on Vista.
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> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:01:03 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>On Jan 5, 3:48 am, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
>>> of
>>> the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions people
>>> have.
>>>
>>> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change
>>> the
>>> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
>>> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
>>> Workstation).
>>>
>>> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could
>>> not
>>> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on VPC.
>>> It
>>> did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
>>> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a
>>> deliberate
>>> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. I don't object to this, but I sure
>>> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the host
>>> so
>>> I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
>>> non-existent problem on the guest.
>>
>>Nothing to do with "piracy". (any software that uses a simple date/
>>time check to reduce "piracy" is idiotic) Just the simple fact that
>>almost everyone wants the same time in the guest as the host and
>>Microsoft never bothered to offer the option.
>>
>>Err...It was Ben Armstrong who is a Program Manager on Microsoft's Core
>>Virtualization Team who said this:
>>
>>"Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:46 PM by Virtual PC Guy
>># re: The Futility of Changing the System Time in the Virtual Machine Bios
>>Roger / Robert -
>>
>>We have heard this before. The problem is that if we did this it would be
>>too easy to abuse and use for piracy purposes. If you need a short term
>>test you can change the time on the host operating system."
>>
>
> Well, not so much as piracy as defeating time based trial software.
>
> It wasn't Microsoft that did it, this was a feature in VPC long before
> MS was even looking at virtualization solutions and purchased the VPC
> product line from Connectix.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
Sent: 01/06/2009
From: "Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:34:04 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:
Not really a problem, just a different way of doing things. Most of
the time you want you clock synced correctly. And, all of our big
clients that were buying thousands of licenses of VPC wanted it, so
sales drove the features...it was the same with USB. At the time,
none of Connectix's volume purchasers cared about USB so the focus was
on other things. The guy that's buying 1000, 5000, etc's requirements
are a lot more influential than the guy buying 1.
There are ways around it, just not in the GUI options.
--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
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>
>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>news:(email address - cut out)...
>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:01:03 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>On Jan 5, 3:48 am, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is 99%
>>>> of
>>>> the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions people
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change
>>>> the
>>>> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
>>>> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
>>>> Workstation).
>>>>
>>>> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could
>>>> not
>>>> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on VPC.
>>>> It
>>>> did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
>>>> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a
>>>> deliberate
>>>> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. I don't object to this, but I sure
>>>> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the host
>>>> so
>>>> I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
>>>> non-existent problem on the guest.
>>>
>>>Nothing to do with "piracy". (any software that uses a simple date/
>>>time check to reduce "piracy" is idiotic) Just the simple fact that
>>>almost everyone wants the same time in the guest as the host and
>>>Microsoft never bothered to offer the option.
>>>
>>>Err...It was Ben Armstrong who is a Program Manager on Microsoft's Core
>>>Virtualization Team who said this:
>>>
>>>"Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:46 PM by Virtual PC Guy
>>># re: The Futility of Changing the System Time in the Virtual Machine Bios
>>>Roger / Robert -
>>>
>>>We have heard this before. The problem is that if we did this it would be
>>>too easy to abuse and use for piracy purposes. If you need a short term
>>>test you can change the time on the host operating system."
>>>
>>
>> Well, not so much as piracy as defeating time based trial software.
>>
>> It wasn't Microsoft that did it, this was a feature in VPC long before
>> MS was even looking at virtualization solutions and purchased the VPC
>> product line from Connectix.
>
>Ok. So, Microsoft just didn't fix the Connectix problem because it could
>defeat trial based software.
>
Sent: 01/06/2009
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
I can easily understand that. I just didn't know about Connectix - who its
clients were, etc. In fact, I only recently learned (here I think) that VPC
was Connectix and then Microsoft bought it.
I want a virtual machine to test software so my interests in what the
virtual machine can do are not necessarily the same as for someone using a
virtual machine in other ways.
In this instance, I just needed to change the time briefly to do a Proof of
Concept so it was fine with me to change the time on the host. As I have
said my irritation arose from my thinking something was wrong with Vista and
wasting time trying to figure out what. (Plus, there was the separate issue
of why Vista has such a messy GUI for changing the date compared to XP's GUI
which has a drop down menu which you can change instantly. On Vista, I had
to click back with the mouse many, many many, many times on the calendars to
get to August 2004).
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> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:34:04 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Jain [MVP]" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:01:03 -1000, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>>>>news:(email address - cut out)...
>>>>On Jan 5, 3:48 am, "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>>>>> I've read it here, and elsewhere, many times that a guest machine is
>>>>> 99%
>>>>> of
>>>>> the time identical to a physical machine in regards to questions
>>>>> people
>>>>> have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess part of the 1% where this is not true is if you want to change
>>>>> the
>>>>> date/time on a guest that is running a Microsoft OS on VPC. You cannot
>>>>> change the date/time from the guest machine. (You can on VMWare
>>>>> Workstation).
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasted a lot of time the other day trying to figure out why I could
>>>>> not
>>>>> change the date/time on my Vista Ultimate guest machine running on
>>>>> VPC.
>>>>> It
>>>>> did not occur to me, or the folks replying in the thread I started at
>>>>> dslreports Microsoft Help forum, that the reason for this is a
>>>>> deliberate
>>>>> move by Microsoft to counter piracy. I don't object to this, but I
>>>>> sure
>>>>> wish I had known that I have to instead change the time/date on the
>>>>> host
>>>>> so
>>>>> I wouldn't have wasted all that time looking for a solution to a
>>>>> non-existent problem on the guest.
>>>>
>>>>Nothing to do with "piracy". (any software that uses a simple date/
>>>>time check to reduce "piracy" is idiotic) Just the simple fact that
>>>>almost everyone wants the same time in the guest as the host and
>>>>Microsoft never bothered to offer the option.
>>>>
>>>>Err...It was Ben Armstrong who is a Program Manager on Microsoft's Core
>>>>Virtualization Team who said this:
>>>>
>>>>"Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:46 PM by Virtual PC Guy
>>>># re: The Futility of Changing the System Time in the Virtual Machine
>>>>Bios
>>>>Roger / Robert -
>>>>
>>>>We have heard this before. The problem is that if we did this it would
>>>>be
>>>>too easy to abuse and use for piracy purposes. If you need a short term
>>>>test you can change the time on the host operating system."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, not so much as piracy as defeating time based trial software.
>>>
>>> It wasn't Microsoft that did it, this was a feature in VPC long before
>>> MS was even looking at virtualization solutions and purchased the VPC
>>> product line from Connectix.
>>
>>Ok. So, Microsoft just didn't fix the Connectix problem because it could
>>defeat trial based software.
>>
> Not really a problem, just a different way of doing things. Most of
> the time you want you clock synced correctly. And, all of our big
> clients that were buying thousands of licenses of VPC wanted it, so
> sales drove the features...it was the same with USB. At the time,
> none of Connectix's volume purchasers cared about USB so the focus was
> on other things. The guy that's buying 1000, 5000, etc's requirements
> are a lot more influential than the guy buying 1.
>
> There are ways around it, just not in the GUI options.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
Sent: 01/07/2009
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Message:> In this instance, I just needed to change the time briefly to do a Proof =
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Just click on the Month/Year in the calendar.
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> Concept so it was fine with me to change the time on the host. As I have
> said my irritation arose from my thinking something was wrong with Vista =
> wasting time trying to figure out what. =A0(Plus, there was the separate =
> of why Vista has such a messy GUI for changing the date compared to XP's =
> which has a drop down menu which you can change instantly. On Vista, I ha=
> to click back with the mouse many, many many, many times on the calendars=
> get to August 2004).
Sent: 01/07/2009
From: "Melelina" <(email address - cut out)>
Message:
<(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...
Just click on the Month/Year in the calendar.
Yes, someone just mentioned that in my thread at dslreports. It didn't occur
to me to click there. I am very habit bound to XP (and earlier OS versions)
drop down menus. I said no to Office 2007 because of no drop down menus
especially in Word.
Thanks for the tip. It works good now that I know how to do it.
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> In this instance, I just needed to change the time briefly to do a Proof
> of
> Concept so it was fine with me to change the time on the host. As I have
> said my irritation arose from my thinking something was wrong with Vista
> and
> wasting time trying to figure out what. (Plus, there was the separate
> issue
> of why Vista has such a messy GUI for changing the date compared to XP's
> GUI
> which has a drop down menu which you can change instantly. On Vista, I had
> to click back with the mouse many, many many, many times on the calendars
> to
> get to August 2004).
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