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Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Source: microsoft.public.virtualpc
Sent: 08/30/2008
From: kavaman
Message:

Hi

Im getting an error there was a problem installing this hardware vm
additions pc/at enhanced ps/2 keyboard. This error started happening on a
gust operating system (winxp) when i had to do a repair installation. I
believe its a vm additions problem , but how do i uninstall / reinstall vm
additions if my keyboard and mouse are not working?
Any help would be very welcome. Thanks alot in advance.

kavaman

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Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/30/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:59:00 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
kavaman <(email address - cut out)>, wrote

You don't. If one or the other were unworkable, you could do it, but with
both unworkable...........you don't.

Have you checked the settings of the VM?

If the files you want off of the fupped .vhd are application files and are
important, they are not lost, in any event..............

FACE

Show quoted text

>Hi
>
>Im getting an error there was a problem installing this hardware vm
>additions pc/at enhanced ps/2 keyboard. This error started happening on a
>gust operating system (winxp) when i had to do a repair installation. I
>believe its a vm additions problem , but how do i uninstall / reinstall vm
>additions if my keyboard and mouse are not working?
>Any help would be very welcome. Thanks alot in advance.
>
>kavaman

Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/30/2008
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

If you can boot into safe mode the keyboard and mouse may work there
and if they do, then open device manager and delete the mouse and then
reboot and see if it changes anything. If not try deleting only the
keyboard. Once you get some input method working, then you just
uninstall the additions and reinstall them.

--
Bob Comer

On Sat, 30 Au 2008 09:59:00 -0700, kavaman
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

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Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/31/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:14:18 -0400, in microsoft.public.virtualpc, FACE
<(email address - cut out)>, wrote

Stay with me here.........

With the VM running, and from the VPC console, go into settings for the
VM, click on mouse pointer integration, click it to the 'off' state, "OK"
out of settings.
On the running VM -- using the right top radio button on the VM frame,
shut down the VM.
Reboot the VM.
Any difference? IOW, do you now have a pointer that must be captured, but
which then works?

FACE

Show quoted text

>On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:59:00 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>kavaman <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>
>>Hi
>>
>>Im getting an error there was a problem installing this hardware vm
>>additions pc/at enhanced ps/2 keyboard. This error started happening on a
>>gust operating system (winxp) when i had to do a repair installation. I
>>believe its a vm additions problem , but how do i uninstall / reinstall vm
>>additions if my keyboard and mouse are not working?
>>Any help would be very welcome. Thanks alot in advance.
>>
>>kavaman
>
>
>You don't. If one or the other were unworkable, you could do it, but with
>both unworkable...........you don't.
>
>Have you checked the settings of the VM?
>
>If the files you want off of the fupped .vhd are application files and are
>important, they are not lost, in any event..............
>
>FACE

Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/31/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:30:11 -0400, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>, wrote

The worst case situation will be to establish a new VM using the fupped
vhd as a "D" disk, reinstalling D apps on the new "C" to access the old
application files on "D".

(I sure wish that MS VPC 2007 referred to HD0 as HD0 instead of calling it
Hard Disk 1)

FACE

Show quoted text

>If you can boot into safe mode the keyboard and mouse may work there
>and if they do, then open device manager and delete the mouse and then
>reboot and see if it changes anything. If not try deleting only the
>keyboard. Once you get some input method working, then you just
>uninstall the additions and reinstall them.

Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/31/2008
From: kavaman
Message:

Cannot get into safe mode. It stops at login because i cannot choose which
profile to login. Also the cannot shutdown guest operations system because of
an application failure because i cannot use a mouse to shutdown the
application (its an app that starts on windows startup).
Keyboard does work before booting, because i get to choose which profile i
want to login to windows.
Is there anything i could do to the inf files on command prompt to try to
restore them and get the keyboard and mouse working trough that?

thefan

"FACE" wrote:

Show quoted text

> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:30:11 -0400, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
> Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>
> >If you can boot into safe mode the keyboard and mouse may work there
> >and if they do, then open device manager and delete the mouse and then
> >reboot and see if it changes anything. If not try deleting only the
> >keyboard. Once you get some input method working, then you just
> >uninstall the additions and reinstall them.
>
> The worst case situation will be to establish a new VM using the fupped
> vhd as a "D" disk, reinstalling D apps on the new "C" to access the old
> application files on "D".
>
> (I sure wish that MS VPC 2007 referred to HD0 as HD0 instead of calling it
> Hard Disk 1)
>
> FACE
>
>

Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/31/2008
From: kavaman
Message:

Sorry, cant pick up a profile when safe mode logs in ( i have two profiles)
administrator and my other profile. Which means keyboard and mouse do not
work when windows starts on safe mode, but before windows loads they do. I
was hoping i could delete some inf file at command prompt which seems to be
causing the problem?

"FACE" wrote:

Show quoted text

> Can't say that i understand all of what you wrote but............
>
> Start the host machine in Safe mode. (hold down f8 as it boots until you
> get the menu screen. Choose safe mode. It will only load essential
> services.
>
> You can manually start the VM after the host boots. Bring up VPC control
> panel. Disable fullscreen auto if it is on. Start VM machine from there.
> Hold down f8 as it boots. It will not load vm additions. It will not
> load the application. You will need to double click the safe mode dialogue
> box. That will capture the cursor for the VM.
> Go to control panel --> add/remove programs, and uninstall VM additions.
>
> Reboot and see what you have.
>
> FACE
>
>
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:46:00 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
> kavaman <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>
> >Cannot get into safe mode. It stops at login because i cannot choose which
> >profile to login. Also the cannot shutdown guest operations system because of
> >an application failure because i cannot use a mouse to shutdown the
> >application (its an app that starts on windows startup).
> >Keyboard does work before booting, because i get to choose which profile i
> >want to login to windows.
> >Is there anything i could do to the inf files on command prompt to try to
> >restore them and get the keyboard and mouse working trough that?
> >
> >thefan
> >
> >
> >"FACE" wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:30:11 -0400, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
> >> Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
> >>
> >> >If you can boot into safe mode the keyboard and mouse may work there
> >> >and if they do, then open device manager and delete the mouse and then
> >> >reboot and see if it changes anything. If not try deleting only the
> >> >keyboard. Once you get some input method working, then you just
> >> >uninstall the additions and reinstall them.
> >>
> >> The worst case situation will be to establish a new VM using the fupped
> >> vhd as a "D" disk, reinstalling D apps on the new "C" to access the old
> >> application files on "D".
> >>
> >> (I sure wish that MS VPC 2007 referred to HD0 as HD0 instead of calling it
> >> Hard Disk 1)
> >>
> >> FACE
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/31/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

Can't say that i understand all of what you wrote but............

Start the host machine in Safe mode. (hold down f8 as it boots until you
get the menu screen. Choose safe mode. It will only load essential
services.

You can manually start the VM after the host boots. Bring up VPC control
panel. Disable fullscreen auto if it is on. Start VM machine from there.
Hold down f8 as it boots. It will not load vm additions. It will not
load the application. You will need to double click the safe mode dialogue
box. That will capture the cursor for the VM.
Go to control panel --> add/remove programs, and uninstall VM additions.

Reboot and see what you have.

FACE

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:46:00 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
kavaman <(email address - cut out)>, wrote

Show quoted text

>Cannot get into safe mode. It stops at login because i cannot choose which
>profile to login. Also the cannot shutdown guest operations system because of
>an application failure because i cannot use a mouse to shutdown the
>application (its an app that starts on windows startup).
>Keyboard does work before booting, because i get to choose which profile i
>want to login to windows.
>Is there anything i could do to the inf files on command prompt to try to
>restore them and get the keyboard and mouse working trough that?
>
>thefan
>
>
>"FACE" wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:30:11 -0400, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>> Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>>
>> >If you can boot into safe mode the keyboard and mouse may work there
>> >and if they do, then open device manager and delete the mouse and then
>> >reboot and see if it changes anything. If not try deleting only the
>> >keyboard. Once you get some input method working, then you just
>> >uninstall the additions and reinstall them.
>>
>> The worst case situation will be to establish a new VM using the fupped
>> vhd as a "D" disk, reinstalling D apps on the new "C" to access the old
>> application files on "D".
>>
>> (I sure wish that MS VPC 2007 referred to HD0 as HD0 instead of calling it
>> Hard Disk 1)
>>
>> FACE
>>
>>

Re: Keyboard/Mouse not working, i believe its vmadditions problem?

Sent: 08/31/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

The question would be just which inf file(s) that would be and how to get
to them/it within the vhd folder. I believe there is software that can
mount a virtual volume and let you do that. Google may have that
information. Otherwise, I would suggest a win xp technical group to find
out what files you are after.

Without the extra software, it can be done this way:

1. create a new win xp virtual machine with a clean c disk and using the
messed up .vhd as the D disk.

(literally cross-use that .vhd between two VMs. I would strongly recommend
not having them both booted at once though)

Then, when you feel you have it fixed,

2. Close the first and re-boot your original VM where that .vhd is the
primary drive.

If it really didn't fix it, or allow things to be fixed, then you have
that drive as a D drive on another VM and can access/copy any files that
are on that virtual drive. ....Such as application files.

If F8 gives you a choice for command line, great, if not, try F5 in the
same manner to get to a slightly more extensive menu.

FACE

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:06:01 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
kavaman <(email address - cut out)>, wrote

Show quoted text

>Sorry, cant pick up a profile when safe mode logs in ( i have two profiles)
>administrator and my other profile. Which means keyboard and mouse do not
>work when windows starts on safe mode, but before windows loads they do. I
>was hoping i could delete some inf file at command prompt which seems to be
>causing the problem?
>
>
>"FACE" wrote:
>
>> Can't say that i understand all of what you wrote but............
>>
>> Start the host machine in Safe mode. (hold down f8 as it boots until you
>> get the menu screen. Choose safe mode. It will only load essential
>> services.
>>
>> You can manually start the VM after the host boots. Bring up VPC control
>> panel. Disable fullscreen auto if it is on. Start VM machine from there.
>> Hold down f8 as it boots. It will not load vm additions. It will not
>> load the application. You will need to double click the safe mode dialogue
>> box. That will capture the cursor for the VM.
>> Go to control panel --> add/remove programs, and uninstall VM additions.
>>
>> Reboot and see what you have.
>>
>> FACE
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:46:00 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>> kavaman <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>>
>> >Cannot get into safe mode. It stops at login because i cannot choose which
>> >profile to login. Also the cannot shutdown guest operations system because of
>> >an application failure because i cannot use a mouse to shutdown the
>> >application (its an app that starts on windows startup).
>> >Keyboard does work before booting, because i get to choose which profile i
>> >want to login to windows.
>> >Is there anything i could do to the inf files on command prompt to try to
>> >restore them and get the keyboard and mouse working trough that?
>> >
>> >thefan
>> >
>> >
>> >"FACE" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:30:11 -0400, in microsoft.public.virtualpc,
>> >> Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>> >>
>> >> >If you can boot into safe mode the keyboard and mouse may work there
>> >> >and if they do, then open device manager and delete the mouse and then
>> >> >reboot and see if it changes anything. If not try deleting only the
>> >> >keyboard. Once you get some input method working, then you just
>> >> >uninstall the additions and reinstall them.
>> >>
>> >> The worst case situation will be to establish a new VM using the fupped
>> >> vhd as a "D" disk, reinstalling D apps on the new "C" to access the old
>> >> application files on "D".
>> >>
>> >> (I sure wish that MS VPC 2007 referred to HD0 as HD0 instead of calling it
>> >> Hard Disk 1)
>> >>
>> >> FACE
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

A possibility of a "deadly embrace"?

Sent: 09/01/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

<snip>
<snip>

Has anyone heard of the "deadly embrace"?

It seems there is more possibility of this under MS VPC than other apps,
so how do MS OSes handle write collisions?

FACE

Show quoted text

>(literally cross-use that .vhd between two VMs. I would strongly recommend
>not having them both booted at once though)

Re: A possibility of a "deadly embrace"?

Sent: 09/01/2008
From: Steve Jain <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:13:46 -0400, FACE <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

You can't use one VHD with 2 VMs simultaneously...unless you've set up
differencing disks. Once the first VM uses the VHD, it is right
protected and a 2nd VM can write to it and most likely will just fail
to boot.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

Show quoted text

>
><snip>
>>(literally cross-use that .vhd between two VMs. I would strongly recommend
>>not having them both booted at once though)
><snip>
>
>Has anyone heard of the "deadly embrace"?
>
>It seems there is more possibility of this under MS VPC than other apps,
>so how do MS OSes handle write collisions?
>
>FACE

Re: A possibility of a "deadly embrace"?

Sent: 09/01/2008
From: kavaman
Message:

So basically i can only copy the files out from the f...ed up vhd using it as
a d drive on a working vhd? Is there some way to get the non working vhd back
to working using this method? Can i somehow remove the vmadditions from the
non working vhd this way, if you know what i mean? THANKS!

"Steve Jain" wrote:

Show quoted text

> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:13:46 -0400, FACE <(email address - cut out)>
> wrote:
>
> >
> ><snip>
> >>(literally cross-use that .vhd between two VMs. I would strongly recommend
> >>not having them both booted at once though)
> ><snip>
> >
> >Has anyone heard of the "deadly embrace"?
> >
> >It seems there is more possibility of this under MS VPC than other apps,
> >so how do MS OSes handle write collisions?
> >
> >FACE
>
> You can't use one VHD with 2 VMs simultaneously...unless you've set up
> differencing disks. Once the first VM uses the VHD, it is right
> protected and a 2nd VM can write to it and most likely will just fail
> to boot.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
> http://vpc.essjae.com/
> I do not work for Microsoft.
>

Re: A possibility of a "deadly embrace"?

Sent: 09/02/2008
From: "Bill Grant" <not.available@online>
Message:

It is really no different from the situation with a physical hard disk
which won't boot. The only way to read it is to somehow boot the the machine
by some other means and then try to read files on the sick disk.

"kavaman" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Show quoted text

> So basically i can only copy the files out from the f...ed up vhd using it
> as
> a d drive on a working vhd? Is there some way to get the non working vhd
> back
> to working using this method? Can i somehow remove the vmadditions from
> the
> non working vhd this way, if you know what i mean? THANKS!
>
>
>
>
>
> "Steve Jain" wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:13:46 -0400, FACE <(email address - cut out)>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >>(literally cross-use that .vhd between two VMs. I would strongly
>> >>recommend
>> >>not having them both booted at once though)
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >Has anyone heard of the "deadly embrace"?
>> >
>> >It seems there is more possibility of this under MS VPC than other apps,
>> >so how do MS OSes handle write collisions?
>> >
>> >FACE
>>
>> You can't use one VHD with 2 VMs simultaneously...unless you've set up
>> differencing disks. Once the first VM uses the VHD, it is right
>> protected and a 2nd VM can write to it and most likely will just fail
>> to boot.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
>> http://vpc.essjae.com/
>> I do not work for Microsoft.
>>

Re: A possibility of a "deadly embrace"?

Sent: 09/03/2008
From: FACE <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:52:22 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc, Steve
Jain <(email address - cut out)>, wrote

Steve Jain wrote:

Hi Steve,

I am running a host of Win XP Pro.

I did a test this morning.

I unzipped a win 98 SE backup vhd.

I renamed it to "win98 test.vhd"

I created a machine called "win98test1" using the "win98 test.vhd".

I booted win98test1.
I fully shut it down.
(twice)

I created a second machine called "win98test2".
I used the same .vhd ("win98 test.vhd) that still belonged to
"win98test1".

I booted it. (No problem)
I wrote a new file to the root disk.
I fully shut it down.

I rebooted win98test1. (No problem)
I checked the root directory and the file I had written on win98test2 was
now also on win98test1.

**********

I realize that this little test did not use a win XP VM and I did it with
a primary disk instead of a slave disk. I did not involve any
differencing, undo or .vsv disks. Surely it showed something.

I will leave them out there a couple of days in case you know how to break
it and let me know. :-)

Slainte,

FACE

Show quoted text

>On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:13:46 -0400, FACE <(email address - cut out)>
>wrote:
>
>>
>><snip>
>>>(literally cross-use that .vhd between two VMs. I would strongly recommend
>>>not having them both booted at once though)
>><snip>
>>
>>Has anyone heard of the "deadly embrace"?
>>
>>It seems there is more possibility of this under MS VPC than other apps,
>>so how do MS OSes handle write collisions?
>>
>>FACE
>
>You can't use one VHD with 2 VMs simultaneously...unless you've set up
>differencing disks. Once the first VM uses the VHD, it is right
>protected and a 2nd VM can write to it and most likely will just fail
>to boot.

Re: A possibility of a "deadly embrace"?

Sent: 09/03/2008
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

What Steve was saying is you can't run 2 VM's at the same time that
have the same VHD. (not that the same VHD can't be used by multiple
shut-down VM's.)

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:52:03 -0400, FACE <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

Show quoted text

>On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:52:22 -0700, in microsoft.public.virtualpc, Steve
>Jain <(email address - cut out)>, wrote
>
>>On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:13:46 -0400, FACE <(email address - cut out)>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>>(literally cross-use that .vhd between two VMs. I would strongly recommend
>>>>not having them both booted at once though)
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>Has anyone heard of the "deadly embrace"?
>>>
>>>It seems there is more possibility of this under MS VPC than other apps,
>>>so how do MS OSes handle write collisions?
>>>
>>>FACE
>>
>
>Steve Jain wrote:
>
>>You can't use one VHD with 2 VMs simultaneously...unless you've set up
>>differencing disks. Once the first VM uses the VHD, it is right
>>protected and a 2nd VM can write to it and most likely will just fail
>>to boot.
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>I am running a host of Win XP Pro.
>
>I did a test this morning.
>
>I unzipped a win 98 SE backup vhd.
>
>I renamed it to "win98 test.vhd"
>
>I created a machine called "win98test1" using the "win98 test.vhd".
>
>I booted win98test1.
>I fully shut it down.
>(twice)
>
>I created a second machine called "win98test2".
>I used the same .vhd ("win98 test.vhd) that still belonged to
>"win98test1".
>
>I booted it. (No problem)
>I wrote a new file to the root disk.
>I fully shut it down.
>
>I rebooted win98test1. (No problem)
>I checked the root directory and the file I had written on win98test2 was
>now also on win98test1.
>
>**********
>
>I realize that this little test did not use a win XP VM and I did it with
>a primary disk instead of a slave disk. I did not involve any
>differencing, undo or .vsv disks. Surely it showed something.
>
>I will leave them out there a couple of days in case you know how to break
>it and let me know. :-)
>
>Slainte,
>
>FACE
>

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