> "John North" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> > I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC
> > 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I
> > like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
> > problems
> > with activation and/or validation.
>
> Yes you can but, obviously, you still need your "proper" OS to boot your PC
> and launch VPC first... :-)
>
> > What I'm trying to do is evaluate Office 2007
>
> VPC is perfect for software evaluation - almost designed specifically for
> it, you might say...
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> Vista and Office 2007 will work perfectly in a virtual machine. A couple of
> things, though:
>
> 1) A virtual machine is considered the same as a physical machine in terms
> of licensing - so you'll need a separate licence for Vista and a separate
> licence for Office 2007. However, if you were to sign up for Technet or
> MSDN, you could install the software on as many virtual machines as you like
> so long as it was for development, testing or demonstration purposes - you
> would be covered under this because you'd be developing your training course
> documentation...
>
> 2) A virtual machine needs as much RAM as a physical machine - Vista with
> Office 2007 needs at least 1GB RAM to run anything like efficiently, though
> others disagree. Also, however much RAM you allocate to your virtual
> machine(s) reduces the amount of RAM available to your host, so make sure
> your host has got plenty...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net
>
>

>I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC
> 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I
> like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
> problems
> with activation and/or validation. What I'm trying to do is evaluate
> Office
> 2007 without upsetting my Office 2003 installation which I need for a
> computer course I'm studying. The instructions and screenshots in the
> course
> refer specifically to Office 2003 so I don't want to make changes that I
> cannot undo. At the moment I'm running XP Pro Media Edition with Office
> 2003,
> but will probably end up using Vista and 2007 when I've completed my
> course,
> and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any
> ideas? Thanks.

> VPC is perfect for evaluating software. However, all the usual licensing
> terms apply. If you meant the TechNet site at the Microsoft site you
> downloaded the software from then just evaluate the software under the terms
> of your TechNet subscription. If you are downloading the trial copy from
> the Office download center you can do your evaluation within the grace
> period. The advantage is that after the evaluation you can simply dump the
> software.
>
> If you decide to install Office 2007 on your host then keep in mind that you
> can run both the 2003 and 2007 software in parallel with the exception of
> Outlook. You must choose one version or the other.
>
> "John North" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
> >I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC
> > 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I
> > like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
> > problems
> > with activation and/or validation. What I'm trying to do is evaluate
> > Office
> > 2007 without upsetting my Office 2003 installation which I need for a
> > computer course I'm studying. The instructions and screenshots in the
> > course
> > refer specifically to Office 2003 so I don't want to make changes that I
> > cannot undo. At the moment I'm running XP Pro Media Edition with Office
> > 2003,
> > but will probably end up using Vista and 2007 when I've completed my
> > course,
> > and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any
> > ideas? Thanks.
>

> I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual PC
> 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide I
> like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
> problems
> with activation and/or validation.
> What I'm trying to do is evaluate Office 2007
> Any ideas?

> Hi, thanks for your reply.
>
> I've read quite a few posts and comments about running the two versions of
> Office in parallel and noted the point you made about Outlook. This is not
> a
> major problem because I intend to use Office 2007 when I've completed my
> course (which requires Office 2003). The information I've gathered so far
> offers different, often conflicting, opinions about running the two
> versions,
> so I decided to play it safe by using Virtual PC.
>
> Have you, or any of your colleagues, run the two Offices suites together,
> and if so, what problems were encountered? I have already got 2003 on my
> machine, so installing in the right order shouldn't be a problem, but I
> can't
> afford to have my machine out of use if I have problems so obviously I'm
> worried because some of these actions are not realistically reversible
> without a re-install.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> VPC is perfect for evaluating software. However, all the usual licensing
>> terms apply. If you meant the TechNet site at the Microsoft site you
>> downloaded the software from then just evaluate the software under the
>> terms
>> of your TechNet subscription. If you are downloading the trial copy from
>> the Office download center you can do your evaluation within the grace
>> period. The advantage is that after the evaluation you can simply dump
>> the
>> software.
>>
>> If you decide to install Office 2007 on your host then keep in mind that
>> you
>> can run both the 2003 and 2007 software in parallel with the exception of
>> Outlook. You must choose one version or the other.
>>
>> "John North" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> >I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual
>> >PC
>> > 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide
>> > I
>> > like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
>> > problems
>> > with activation and/or validation. What I'm trying to do is evaluate
>> > Office
>> > 2007 without upsetting my Office 2003 installation which I need for a
>> > computer course I'm studying. The instructions and screenshots in the
>> > course
>> > refer specifically to Office 2003 so I don't want to make changes that
>> > I
>> > cannot undo. At the moment I'm running XP Pro Media Edition with Office
>> > 2003,
>> > but will probably end up using Vista and 2007 when I've completed my
>> > course,
>> > and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any
>> > ideas? Thanks.
>>

> "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in
> message news:(email address - cut out)...
>
>>> VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make
>>> Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash
>>> your
>>> XP machine first - don't even think about trying to upgrade.
>>
>> Bad (advise) advice.
>
> I disagree.
>
>> Upgrading XP to Vista works for most people, and there's the added
>> advantage of not having to worry about drivers and other problems that
>> you
>> will run into with a clean install of Vista. I would have had to purchase
>> a
>> new scanner and printer had I not gone the upgrade path.
>
> Upgrading an operating system is always the wrong answer. If you're using
> XP drivers in Vista, then you're using the wrong drivers... If your
> hardware doesn't have native Vista drivers, then upgrade your hardware or
> stay with XP - anything else is just a kludge...
>
>
> --
> Mark Rae
> ASP.NET MVP
> http://www.markrae.net

>>> I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual
>>> PC
>>> 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide
>>> I
>>> like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
>>> problems with activation and/or validation.
>>
>> Yes you can but, obviously, you still need your "proper" OS to boot your
>> PC
>> and launch VPC first... :-)
>>
>> > What I'm trying to do is evaluate Office 2007
>>
>> VPC is perfect for software evaluation - almost designed specifically for
>> it, you might say...
>>
>> > Any ideas?
>>
>> Vista and Office 2007 will work perfectly in a virtual machine. A couple
>> of
>> things, though:
>>
>> 1) A virtual machine is considered the same as a physical machine in
>> terms
>> of licensing - so you'll need a separate licence for Vista and a separate
>> licence for Office 2007. However, if you were to sign up for Technet or
>> MSDN, you could install the software on as many virtual machines as you
>> like
>> so long as it was for development, testing or demonstration purposes -
>> you
>> would be covered under this because you'd be developing your training
>> course
>> documentation...
>>
>> 2) A virtual machine needs as much RAM as a physical machine - Vista with
>> Office 2007 needs at least 1GB RAM to run anything like efficiently,
>> though
>> others disagree. Also, however much RAM you allocate to your virtual
>> machine(s) reduces the amount of RAM available to your host, so make sure
>> your host has got plenty...
>
> Thanks very much for your reply. My decision is easier to make now, and I
> understand the importance of the Technet reference, but I'm still unsure
> about my licencing position when I make the Vista/Office 2007 installation
> my
> "proper" installation, that is, when I abandon my XP Pro/Office 2003 setup
> when I've completed my course.
> I hope I'm not wasting your time or have missed the obvious, but when I
> install Vista and Office 2007 as my "real" setup will I not have issues
> with
> re-installing when there will be a record of a previous installation when
> I
> authenticate / validate the new installation. I've never done this before
> and
> I can't afford to make mistakes.
> Also, I was going to upgrade my memory anyway, so this is a good reason to
> this first.

> Hi, thanks for your reply.
>
> I've read quite a few posts and comments about running the two versions of
> Office in parallel and noted the point you made about Outlook. This is not
> a
> major problem because I intend to use Office 2007 when I've completed my
> course (which requires Office 2003). The information I've gathered so far
> offers different, often conflicting, opinions about running the two
> versions,
> so I decided to play it safe by using Virtual PC.
>
> Have you, or any of your colleagues, run the two Offices suites together,
> and if so, what problems were encountered? I have already got 2003 on my
> machine, so installing in the right order shouldn't be a problem, but I
> can't
> afford to have my machine out of use if I have problems so obviously I'm
> worried because some of these actions are not realistically reversible
> without a re-install.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> VPC is perfect for evaluating software. However, all the usual licensing
>> terms apply. If you meant the TechNet site at the Microsoft site you
>> downloaded the software from then just evaluate the software under the
>> terms
>> of your TechNet subscription. If you are downloading the trial copy from
>> the Office download center you can do your evaluation within the grace
>> period. The advantage is that after the evaluation you can simply dump
>> the
>> software.
>>
>> If you decide to install Office 2007 on your host then keep in mind that
>> you
>> can run both the 2003 and 2007 software in parallel with the exception of
>> Outlook. You must choose one version or the other.
>>
>> "John North" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
>> news:(email address - cut out)...
>> >I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual
>> >PC
>> > 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide
>> > I
>> > like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
>> > problems
>> > with activation and/or validation. What I'm trying to do is evaluate
>> > Office
>> > 2007 without upsetting my Office 2003 installation which I need for a
>> > computer course I'm studying. The instructions and screenshots in the
>> > course
>> > refer specifically to Office 2003 so I don't want to make changes that
>> > I
>> > cannot undo. At the moment I'm running XP Pro Media Edition with Office
>> > 2003,
>> > but will probably end up using Vista and 2007 when I've completed my
>> > course,
>> > and this is what I intend to install in Virtual PC if it will work. Any
>> > ideas? Thanks.

>> VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make
>> Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash
>> your
>> XP machine first - don't even think about trying to upgrade.
>
> Bad (advise) advice.
> Upgrading XP to Vista works for most people, and there's the added
> advantage of not having to worry about drivers and other problems that you
> will run into with a clean install of Vista. I would have had to purchase
> a
> new scanner and printer had I not gone the upgrade path.

>
> "John North" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
> news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> [top-posting corrected]
>
> >>> I want to try a different operating system and office suite in Virtual
> >>> PC
> >>> 2007, which I have just downloaded from the Microsoft site. If I decide
> >>> I
> >>> like the operating system can I install it as my "proper" OS without
> >>> problems with activation and/or validation.
> >>
> >> Yes you can but, obviously, you still need your "proper" OS to boot your
> >> PC
> >> and launch VPC first... :-)
> >>
> >> > What I'm trying to do is evaluate Office 2007
> >>
> >> VPC is perfect for software evaluation - almost designed specifically for
> >> it, you might say...
> >>
> >> > Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Vista and Office 2007 will work perfectly in a virtual machine. A couple
> >> of
> >> things, though:
> >>
> >> 1) A virtual machine is considered the same as a physical machine in
> >> terms
> >> of licensing - so you'll need a separate licence for Vista and a separate
> >> licence for Office 2007. However, if you were to sign up for Technet or
> >> MSDN, you could install the software on as many virtual machines as you
> >> like
> >> so long as it was for development, testing or demonstration purposes -
> >> you
> >> would be covered under this because you'd be developing your training
> >> course
> >> documentation...
> >>
> >> 2) A virtual machine needs as much RAM as a physical machine - Vista with
> >> Office 2007 needs at least 1GB RAM to run anything like efficiently,
> >> though
> >> others disagree. Also, however much RAM you allocate to your virtual
> >> machine(s) reduces the amount of RAM available to your host, so make sure
> >> your host has got plenty...
> >
> > Thanks very much for your reply. My decision is easier to make now, and I
> > understand the importance of the Technet reference, but I'm still unsure
> > about my licencing position when I make the Vista/Office 2007 installation
> > my
> > "proper" installation, that is, when I abandon my XP Pro/Office 2003 setup
> > when I've completed my course.
>
> VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make
> Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash your
> XP machine first - don't even think about trying to upgrade.

>
> "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in
> message news:(email address - cut out)...
>
> >> VPC is an application, not a dual-boot facility. So, if you want to make
> >> Vista / Office 2007 your "proper" installation, you will have to trash
> >> your
> >> XP machine first - don't even think about trying to upgrade.
> >
> > Bad (advise) advice.
>
> I disagree.
>
> > Upgrading XP to Vista works for most people, and there's the added
> > advantage of not having to worry about drivers and other problems that you
> > will run into with a clean install of Vista. I would have had to purchase
> > a
> > new scanner and printer had I not gone the upgrade path.
>
> Upgrading an operating system is always the wrong answer.

>> Upgrading an operating system is always the wrong answer.
>
> More bad advice. But, since you're so sure of your advice, what about this
> scenario?
> I have a software package that requires online activation, but the company
> has since
> gone out of business. What is your advice?
>
> Let me guess. Buy new software.