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How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Source: microsoft.public.virtualpc
Sent: 06/04/2007
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

I have received a Ghost image of a PC we installed software on back
about 10 years ago...
Now I am supposed to use this to prepare upgrades for them.

So I created a VPC2007 guest and set it to optimize for Win98, then
started it with my special boot floppy containing both Ghost 2003 and
the FSHARE.exe from the VPC2004 additions, like I use to do.
With this I could create a shared folder to my host PC disk where the
Ghost image is located and could restore from the image.

When Win95 started there were a number of hardware issues (found new
hardware...) but Win95 coped with most of it. But for some it required
the Win95 setup files and here is where I got stuck....

The created machine does not have a CDROM drive! How could you get
files into it then? After some trials I booted up with the ghost
floppy again, exited Ghost and used the command prompt to copy files
from a shared folder with the Win95 install files onto a new dir on
the C drive.

Next I restarted the Win95 guest and whenever it wantde the Win95 CD I
pointed to this C:\i386\win95 dir where I had copied the entire CD
contents. Worked fine except for SoundBlaster16, which is not
recognized still. Ah, well...

My main pronlem now is how to get the VPC2004 aditions onto this
guest, since it STILL does not show up a CDROM drive...

OR should I put it like this:
How can I add the CDROM drive to the guest????

I tried the Add Hardware control panel command but then I have to
select which brand of CDROM I have and I could not find this in the
VPC helpfiles...

Any ideas,

Bo

Bo Berglund
bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

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Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/04/2007
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

You have to install the DOS drivers for the CDRom from the VPC2004 DOS
additions to force the issue with Win95. (The DOS CDROM driver and the
MSCDEX commands in the config.sys and autoexec.bat specifically)

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:54:35 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

Show quoted text

>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:09:00 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:22:22 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
>>wrote:
>
>>- The guest Win95 does not have a CDROM
>>- To optimize the system I need VMAdditions (2004)
>>- To install these I need a CDROM to capture the ISO to
>>
>>What can I do in order to get the Win95 system recognize that it has a
>>CDROM?
>
>I can't get this to work...
>Now I have tried several times by using the Add Hardware guide in
>Control Panel. I have to manually select one CD-ROM type (chose the
>top listed one (Mitsumi)). All looks promising up until I reboot.
>But no CD-ROM visible and in device manager the CD-ROM has a yellow
>exclamation mark symbol attached.
>
>Obviously the CD-ROM is of the wrong type, but exactly what CD-ROM is
>emulated by VPC2007???
>I have tried to locate this information without success...
>
>>
>>And how can I get it to run the correct NIC driver and get on to the
>>net?
>Now working after a few restarts with various device deletes...
>
>Bo
>
>Bo Berglund
>bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/04/2007
From: "Sylvain Lafontaine" <sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)>
Message:

Here what I have in an old Win95 installation that is working with VPC 2007:

File CONFIG.SYS:

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\VMADD\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
DEVICE=C:CNTX\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001 /L:E

File AUTOEXEC.BAT:

C:\WINDOWS\VMADD\SYSINI.EXE
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T6
PROMPT $p$g
PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\CNTX
C:\CNTX\FSHARE.EXE
C:\CNTX\IDLE.COM
rem - By Windows Setup - C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /S /D:IDECD001 /L:E

Notice that the command MSCDEX.EXE in the Autoexec.bat file has been removed
by some Windows Installation, probably the VMAdditions setup but that you
may have to add it to get access to the DVD drive before installing the
VMAdditions for Win95

In your case, an easy solution would be to simply setup a second virtual
hard drive and copy the files from the installation ISO image (VPC 2004, not
2007 because the 2007 version doesn't offer support for Win95 anymore) to
run them from the virtualized hard drive instead of the DVD drive. You can
use any valid virtual machine running to write to this second VHD file or
use a program like WinImage.

--
Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
E-mail: sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)

"Robert Comer" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Show quoted text

> You have to install the DOS drivers for the CDRom from the VPC2004 DOS
> additions to force the issue with Win95. (The DOS CDROM driver and the
> MSCDEX commands in the config.sys and autoexec.bat specifically)
>
> --
> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:54:35 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:09:00 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:22:22 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>- The guest Win95 does not have a CDROM
>>>- To optimize the system I need VMAdditions (2004)
>>>- To install these I need a CDROM to capture the ISO to
>>>
>>>What can I do in order to get the Win95 system recognize that it has a
>>>CDROM?
>>
>>I can't get this to work...
>>Now I have tried several times by using the Add Hardware guide in
>>Control Panel. I have to manually select one CD-ROM type (chose the
>>top listed one (Mitsumi)). All looks promising up until I reboot.
>>But no CD-ROM visible and in device manager the CD-ROM has a yellow
>>exclamation mark symbol attached.
>>
>>Obviously the CD-ROM is of the wrong type, but exactly what CD-ROM is
>>emulated by VPC2007???
>>I have tried to locate this information without success...
>>
>>>
>>>And how can I get it to run the correct NIC driver and get on to the
>>>net?
>>Now working after a few restarts with various device deletes...
>>
>>Bo
>>
>>Bo Berglund
>>bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/04/2007
From: Robert Comer <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

You need C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\MSCDEX.EXE /S /D:IDECD001 /L:E in the
autoexec.bat (or wherever the MSCDEX.EXE is -- maybe in the VMADD
folder?)

Win95 was always extremely picky about CDRom drivers and it was always
just easier to use DOS drivers because of that.

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:52:50 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

Show quoted text

>Hmmm, I don't remember that one had to do all these things to get CD
>working in the old days...
>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:06:45 -0400, Robert Comer
><(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>You have to install the DOS drivers for the CDRom from the VPC2004 DOS
>>additions to force the issue with Win95. (The DOS CDROM driver and the
>>MSCDEX commands in the config.sys and autoexec.bat specifically)
>
>Never done that as far as I can recall. I just captured the VFD file
>to my Win95 guest and I find one root file:
>DosAdd.bat
>and a subdir "SrcFiles". In this I see 15 files:
>Auto.1-Auto.6
>Config.1-Config.4
>CDRom.sys
>FShare.exe
>Idle.com
>Mouse.com
>Vmadd386.sys
>
>What do I do to install the CDROM drivers?
>Run the DosAdd.bat file or something else?
>
>---- later ----
>I ran the dosadd.bat file from Win95 explorer (after enabling undo
>disks), and it said it had installed them but nevertheless after a
>restart I cannot see the CDROM drive....
>
>In config.sys I now have:
>DEVICE=C:\VMADD\VMADD386.SYS
>DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\VMADD\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001
>LASTDRIVE=Z
>device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
>Country=046,850,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys
>DEVICE=C:\VMADD\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001 /L:E
>LASTDRIVE=Z
>
>Seems like some doubling has occurred, what to do?
>
>In Autoexec.bat I have nothing that seems connected to the CDROM
>issue. No sign of any MSCDEX for example...
>
>Hmmm, I don't remember that one had to do all these things to get CD
>working in the old days...
>
>/Bo
>
>Bo Berglund
>bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/04/2007
From: "Sylvain Lafontaine" <sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)>
Message:

As far as I can remember, the booting process of Win95 is based on DOS and
in a minimal configuration, you must have the MSCDEX command in autoexec.bat
to have this working. However, in a more advanced configuration, this
command is usually replaced with something else.

Don't forget that you are starting from a ghosted image of a physical
installation and not from a clean installation directly made inside a
virtualised machine. The simple fact that this is working after some
tweakings is pretty amazing by itself.

--
Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
MVP - Technologies Virtual-PC
E-mail: sylvain aei ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)

"Bo Berglund" <(email address - cut out)> wrote in message
news:(email address - cut out)...

Show quoted text

> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:06:45 -0400, Robert Comer
> <(email address - cut out)> wrote:
>
>>You have to install the DOS drivers for the CDRom from the VPC2004 DOS
>>additions to force the issue with Win95. (The DOS CDROM driver and the
>>MSCDEX commands in the config.sys and autoexec.bat specifically)
>
> Never done that as far as I can recall. I just captured the VFD file
> to my Win95 guest and I find one root file:
> DosAdd.bat
> and a subdir "SrcFiles". In this I see 15 files:
> Auto.1-Auto.6
> Config.1-Config.4
> CDRom.sys
> FShare.exe
> Idle.com
> Mouse.com
> Vmadd386.sys
>
> What do I do to install the CDROM drivers?
> Run the DosAdd.bat file or something else?
>
> ---- later ----
> I ran the dosadd.bat file from Win95 explorer (after enabling undo
> disks), and it said it had installed them but nevertheless after a
> restart I cannot see the CDROM drive....
>
> In config.sys I now have:
> DEVICE=C:\VMADD\VMADD386.SYS
> DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\VMADD\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001
> LASTDRIVE=Z
> device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
> Country=046,850,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys
> DEVICE=C:\VMADD\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001 /L:E
> LASTDRIVE=Z
>
> Seems like some doubling has occurred, what to do?
>
> In Autoexec.bat I have nothing that seems connected to the CDROM
> issue. No sign of any MSCDEX for example...
>
> Hmmm, I don't remember that one had to do all these things to get CD
> working in the old days...
>
> /Bo
>
> Bo Berglund
> bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/04/2007
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:22:22 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

To clarify my current problem:

- The guest Win95 does not have a CDROM
- To optimize the system I need VMAdditions (2004)
- To install these I need a CDROM to capture the ISO to

What can I do in order to get the Win95 system recognize that it has a
CDROM?

And how can I get it to run the correct NIC driver and get on to the
net?
I tried to uninstall the existing physical NIC it had and then added a
new DEC 21140 family card in the Win95 dialogue. But it still won't
get DHCP address. :-(

Any ideas (especially about CDROM).

/Bo

Bo Berglund
bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/04/2007
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:09:00 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
wrote:

I can't get this to work...
Now I have tried several times by using the Add Hardware guide in
Control Panel. I have to manually select one CD-ROM type (chose the
top listed one (Mitsumi)). All looks promising up until I reboot.
But no CD-ROM visible and in device manager the CD-ROM has a yellow
exclamation mark symbol attached.

Obviously the CD-ROM is of the wrong type, but exactly what CD-ROM is
emulated by VPC2007???
I have tried to locate this information without success...

Now working after a few restarts with various device deletes...

Bo

Bo Berglund
bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Show quoted text

>On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:22:22 +0200, Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
>wrote:
>- The guest Win95 does not have a CDROM
>- To optimize the system I need VMAdditions (2004)
>- To install these I need a CDROM to capture the ISO to
>
>What can I do in order to get the Win95 system recognize that it has a
>CDROM?
>
>And how can I get it to run the correct NIC driver and get on to the
>net?

Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/04/2007
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:06:45 -0400, Robert Comer
<(email address - cut out)> wrote:

Never done that as far as I can recall. I just captured the VFD file
to my Win95 guest and I find one root file:
DosAdd.bat
and a subdir "SrcFiles". In this I see 15 files:
Auto.1-Auto.6
Config.1-Config.4
CDRom.sys
FShare.exe
Idle.com
Mouse.com
Vmadd386.sys

What do I do to install the CDROM drivers?
Run the DosAdd.bat file or something else?

---- later ----
I ran the dosadd.bat file from Win95 explorer (after enabling undo
disks), and it said it had installed them but nevertheless after a
restart I cannot see the CDROM drive....

In config.sys I now have:
DEVICE=C:\VMADD\VMADD386.SYS
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\VMADD\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001
LASTDRIVE=Z
device=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=(ega,,1)
Country=046,850,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys
DEVICE=C:\VMADD\CDROM.SYS /D:IDECD001 /L:E
LASTDRIVE=Z

Seems like some doubling has occurred, what to do?

In Autoexec.bat I have nothing that seems connected to the CDROM
issue. No sign of any MSCDEX for example...

Hmmm, I don't remember that one had to do all these things to get CD
working in the old days...

/Bo

Bo Berglund
bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Show quoted text

Re: How to improve Win95 guest crated from Ghost image?

Sent: 06/05/2007
From: Bo Berglund <(email address - cut out)>
Message:

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:09:29 -0400, "Sylvain Lafontaine" <sylvain aei
ca (fill the blanks, no spam please)> wrote:

yeah,
the source PC probably does not have a CDROM at all.
I will not spend more time on this now since the purpose for the CDROM
was to get the VMAdds on to the guest and I solved that by using
normal networking once I got the NIC working normally.

Next now is to start up our old software and try to remember what the
heck we were doing 9-10 years ago....
Back to the stone age, I guess. Amazingly the customer has used the
system daily for all of these years and seems reasonably satisfied at
that. Interesting to get this opportunity to virtualize a real
production PC and then examine it!

/Bo

Bo Berglund
bo.berglund(at)nospam.telia.com

Show quoted text

>As far as I can remember, the booting process of Win95 is based on DOS and
>in a minimal configuration, you must have the MSCDEX command in autoexec.bat
>to have this working. However, in a more advanced configuration, this
>command is usually replaced with something else.
>
>Don't forget that you are starting from a ghosted image of a physical
>installation and not from a clean installation directly made inside a
>virtualised machine. The simple fact that this is working after some
>tweakings is pretty amazing by itself.

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